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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

so light.

I have purchased some Salomon Z12 Ti bindings online and took them out of the box last night. Couldn't believe how light they are. Now, i'm worried about there durability.

 

Does anybody have any info/experience/thoughts/opinins on these bindings??

 

I bought them to mount on my Mantras because I wanted a light setup but I do weigh in at 220lbs and they ar sooo light.

post #2 of 19

.....crap.

Ride Salomon Ti at your peril. and the Z series is pure crap.

Mantra and Z are an absurd combination.

post #3 of 19

 I love my Aura/Ti combination. I'm about 80 lb lighter, though.

post #4 of 19

Not my first choice if a binding for someone your size, but not the worst either. Go back to where you got them and ask to move up to a beefier binding like an STH14 or 16, PX14/15, Marker Jester, although a Griffon is one of the few 12 DIN bindings what would be fine. 

post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks for initial feedback.

bit hard to send em back as I live on the other side of the world. Not economical freight wise but i have some other options up my sleeve.

 

davluri, you definitely have an opinion, Can you eloborate on your comments?

 

I set my bindings no higher than the reccomended setting for me, which is 8. Is there a reason that I would need a binding with higher din settings than what I normally set them to?  i have been using railflex HD14 bindings for about 5 years now on my monsters but have always thought that they were way more than what I needed since I don't ski at race speeds and I don't huck cliffs (on purpose)

 

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post #6 of 19

If you are running them at an 8, you should be fine. Worse case it is an easy upgrade to a (more substantial) Driver series Sth14, while a higher DIN but is a more laterally rigid binding for a better interface. 

post #7 of 19

I use that binding on my Gotomas.  I'm about 170 lbs and use a DIN setting around 9.  I've never had a problem with them and love the light weight.

post #8 of 19
The issue is not the DIN, but the relatively weak heel track interface. Strong or heavy skiers can tear it apart. - as one of my kids did in a high speed turn a few years back. OTOH - I'm over 200 and did OK on them while I used them. As noted by others, there are presently better options for heavy or strong skiers. In the case described, an STH 12 or Griffon strikes me as a good call. FWIW, the STH design specifically beefs this up this aspect of the binding... and for the DIN levels and use being discussed there is no real need for the driver toe.
post #9 of 19

a 45 year old woman broke the heel plate in the middle of her ski day, the aluminum plate with the slots in it for adjustablility. I weigh a whopping 135 and broke 3 pair, one on the second run of an epic powder day, had to finish the run tediously in deep powder on one ski. Yeah, I have an opinion. Salomon is not to be trusted with respect to bindings. ever try to put on the Z model in deep snow. don't.  take it from there. It never smelled Ti, it's aluminum, and a lousy place to use it. the Seth is the only acceptable binding for a strong skier. Salomon has made some real lemons.

 

edit: for those mulling over the idea that it was a bad batch, THREE pair, spanning a period of several years. and the warrantee became a swap out for the Z series, which is not acceptable. Put the Z back on in powder for sure, if it's 5% water (or whatever dry is).

 

Velocity and torque break them, and I guess speed and power are a larger factor than weight.


Edited by davluri - 9/14/10 at 4:32pm
post #10 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Not my first choice if a binding for someone your size, but not the worst either. Go back to where you got them and ask to move up to a beefier binding like an STH14 or 16, PX14/15, Marker Jester, although a Griffon is one of the few 12 DIN bindings what would be fine. 



the pros knows

for the record, I'm 135lb, and the owner of a good shop here says it's not for me, only the Seth

post #11 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by segbrown View Post

 I love my Aura/Ti combination. I'm about 80 lb lighter, though.



some of the Ti's you can swap out the plate for steel. some you can't. consider the upside downside of a few ounces.

post #12 of 19

I just checked and I do indeed have the Z ti 12 binder on my goats and my wife's' goats.  I'm not the biggest guy or the strongest skier out there, but I have beat on that set up pretty hard with no trouble.  I don't fall or have skis release often, but have never had trouble getting that ski back on in powder.  The problems cited are disturbing.  Hopefully there was a problem with one batch or model year of those bindings and my (and my wife's) bindings are OK.

post #13 of 19
Thread Starter 

Another option could be for me to mount railflex plates on the Mantras and use my Tyrolia HD14's. Some definite pros with that solution.

I could then have the Z12's mounted on my daughters twinnies.

post #14 of 19

Never skied a Z12...but don't all Salomon bindings have a 5 year warranty?...Longer than any other binding manufacturer?  That must be worth something.  Even if you are unfortunate enough to have one fall apart...you get another pair!

 

The only problem I ever had with a Salomon binding was like 10 years ago I had the heal track fall off of a S900 Carbon Axe +.  Don't know if there's any similarities between those and a Z12.  I've broke a Look binding before too.

post #15 of 19

I've heard of several instances involving the Z12 breaking, which may be why they're available so cheap, but have never skied them. In fact the only Sollie binding I ever skied on (years ago) broke its toepiece wings on me, so I gave up on the brand. At 220 lbs, you might think again about depending on a binding that light, cuz as davluri notes, you get the light weight by using more plastic or alu, both of which can fail at higher stress levels. And failure can just be a pain in the a*ss or it can be coming out in a no fall zone and ending up in the ER. Just saying...

post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks All. Enough doubt has been thrown on the topic for me to rethink using the Z12's on my skis. I buy my stuff online from US so returning for replacement is not much of an option. Its a risk you take when you buy OS. 

 

My daughter needs bindings anyway so looks like she has scored the Z12's. She will appreciate the lightness.

I'll probably mount a railflex plate and use my HD14's. New brakes and plates $120aus delivered is not so bad. might even be a bit cheaper soon the way your dollar is heading.

 

ii'm heading South for some Spring skiing in a couple of days and was looking forward to trying the Mantras but looks like the monsters will get one last outing.

Cheers

post #17 of 19

The Z12 is the scariest binding since the Knights that say KneeBinding. Knee...Knee...

post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 

Well thats an interesting post. I notice that is aftyer 9pm over in your neck of the woods. Perhaps you have had a few brewskis? Have another for me. Cheers

post #19 of 19

I've got same setup as Teton, though I'm only 78 kilos or so. I'll probably wreck the skis before I break the bindings.

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