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Moving To The Wasatch, The Front Or The Back?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

I am tossing around the idea of relocating from crowded suburban New York to Utah and was wondering if you folks could shed some light on the best place to be overall (I know this can be an individual thing).  I will pose a couple of Pro/Con thoughts on two locations, please comment or add your own, the more opinions and info the better.

 

Wasatch Front: (Cottonwood Heights, Sandy, Etc.)

 

Pros

A. Very close to Cottonwood Canyon skiing which I like ALOT better than Park City side skiing, Snowbird and Alta in particular my favorite, you just can't beat the terrain, conditions and scenery..

B. Cheaper Real Estate than Summit County and P.C. (although I don't need much square footage, and yard size dependent on if I get a dog)

C. CLoser to all the amenities and services of the city (doctors, dentists, supermarkets, clubs, events, parks, etc.)

 

Cons

A. Scary/Hairy drive up and down canyon roads at times to get to resorts (how often does this happen, If you get a reasonably serious 4WD will you be okay?)  Canyon closings and traffic lineups during big snowstorms.

B. No offense to locals, but more of a boring, strip mall, suburbia feel (which I live in now) as opposed to more resort town feel of P.C.   Although the view of the "Front" more majestic.

C. You do have to drive or catch the bus to ski, P.C. has locations you can walk from, or much shorter dirve.

D.  Hotter summers and a pollution "inversion" to have to deal with.

 

 

Wasatch Back:  (Park City, Heber, Midway, Etc.)

 

Pros

A. No Scary/Hairy canyon drives or closures, free bus system so you don't even have to start the car.

B. Charming "Resort" town feel loaded with mining history, Swiss type themes, stricter zoning, wealthy tax base form non year round residents benefits year rounders.

C. Tons of events from ski jumping, bobsled, concerts, festivals, etc. to attend year round.

 

Cons

A.  Real Estate much more expensive so you have to go further out, settle for a "compromised" location (right ont the service road of I-80) or cut your amenities and square footage (again, not a problem so much for me) to get closer in to P.C. central (Midway and Heber cheaper but further out and a LONG way from the Cottonwood Canyons if you want to shoot around for a day)  P.C. townhome and condo complexes much less dog friendly.

B. Skiing less challenging, more goomed "country club" style stuff, views less majestic, etc.

C.  Not as many doctors, dentists, supermarkets, clubs and organizations, etc. as SLC and the "front" would offer.

D.  Cooler summers (but it gets colder earlier and stays cold longer)  no pollution "inversion" well at least not presently.

 

What would YOU do...?   All help and opinions appreciated, Thank You

post #2 of 14

Park City is too much of a resort for me.  I don't know about Heber City.  I suspect it's too LDS intensive.

The only part of Utah I would consider is Salt Lake City, somewhere north of 2100 south. There are some nice neighborhoods like Sugarhouse.  Sandy is way too suburban and LDS, and you still have the worst part of the drive up to Alta.

 

BK 

post #3 of 14

base of LCC in the winter, PC in the summer.

 

post #4 of 14

Park city is a subub of SLC. Its only 30 minutes form Main St. PC to downtown. Its not far to get there. Its a more liberal more secular community.

 

4WD doesn't mean much. Front wheel drive with good snow tires is better than 4x4 with all seasons. 

 

Ski season lasts from December till April. Thats 5 months. The exception is the bird which goes into June most years (7 months). LCC ski area passes are 50-100% more than the other resorts.

 

Yes, skiing in LCC is better than on the wasatch back (especialyl at the bird) . But... Park City offers much more right out your back door if you are going to be living there year round than SLC does. 

 

The weather in PC is more liveable than SLC basicly all year round. Cooler in the summer, less inverted in the winter.

 

If you have kids the schools in PC are better.

 

Even in PC you are at most an hour form LCC so its not like you can't make that drive if you want to ski in LCC on occasion. If you only really care about skiing and will only ski LCC then Sandy puts you closest.

 

Everyone tells me sugar house is a great neighborhood for non-lds to live in salt lake valley.

post #5 of 14

If I were moving to Utah (which I thought about a lot, actually, and then I spent Feb-March 2009 in SLC to try it out), I'd either:

- live somewhere Sugarhouse-ish in SLC and ski BCC/LCC

- live in PC and learn enough to do most of my skiing in the backcountry, with the occasional resort day wherever

 

Coming from the NYC burbs, you're definitely going to have some culture shock being in Utah. Park City is as good as it gets for minimizing that, especially if you're single. More secular, more single people, feels like a little city vs the endless sprawl of SLC.

 

Just for the record, I think the drive from PC over to SLC would be hairier than the drive up either BCC or LCC in bad weather, but locals might contradict me on that.

 

I can talk about NYC-ish vs Utah at length, but that pretty much sums it up. :) Your pros/cons are mostly right-on.

post #6 of 14

They are about the same IMO. On I80 in parleys you have to contend with interstate  truck traffic and the fact that not everyone is going to have snows / 4X4. But the drive is multi lane and more well plowed.

 

LCC road is steeper, more snow covered, more exposed, and has alot of people on it as well. But since everyone is supposed to have snows  when its flashing its not so bad.

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Just for the record, I think the drive from PC over to SLC would be hairier than the drive up either BCC or LCC in bad weather, but locals might contradict me on that.

post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone, this is exactly the kind of advice I was seeking.

 

Base of LCC in winter PC in summer:

 

Might be doable, would require purchasing two residences but could make PC primary and buy a residence near LCC that has a small apartment or studio.  Rent the large portion of the home, keep the studio for dividing time, or just using on snowy nights when drive backt to PC may be tiresome.

 

I like the fact that LCC is about an hour from P.C. I will of course be spending most of my time at my residence and community, so living in P.C. over the "burbs" may well make the commute worth it, especially being able to do more things right out my door in P.C.

 

The problem with Sugarhouse is it is lower lying than the bench "burbs" so I would think it gets hotter in summer and stays in the invresion longer?  I am reasonably hip (you can only be so square coming from N.Y.) but I have crossed the half century mark, would this be old for Sugarhouse?  Also, Sugarhouse seems to be 45 minutes form most resorts, I would rather be very close to a few, and commute longer if need be to others.

 

I am very low key so culture shock won't affect me like it would some New Yorkers, but yes, P.C. would be an easier transition.  Am single and male, but I have read on other discussions here on the boards that single women in resort communities can be more flighty, adventuresome and unreliable than non-resort communities, (words and statements of others, not my own...LOL) and I suppose many of the men could carry the same traits.  Can someone please refute and counter these allegations?  Also heard men can largely outnumber women in resort towns.

 

I forgot to factor in traffic and trucks on I-80, I just don't want to get into a white knuckler going up or down one of the cottonwood canyons and need to have somoene pry my hands off the steering wheel and hit me with some smelling salts to get the expression of shock off my face after getting to my destination.  I suppose with practice this would get easier.

post #8 of 14

I haven't been to PC in a long time, and maybe it's become an SLC suburb, but the general rule for dating in a ski town is "you never lose your girlfriend, you just lose your turn."  If I liked living in PC in the summer, I wouldn't get a winter house in Sandy just to be an hour closer to LCC.  I'm sure there's plenty of fine back country and side country skiing in Parley's, it's just that the tourists never find it.

OTOH Utah has the highest divorce rate in the US (way higher than NY), and a very young population, so there's lots of young divorced women in SLC.  LDS women are either wild or no fun at all, sort of like Catholics that way.

My friends from SLC tell me everything north of 21st has been abandoned by the LDS.

If you are 50, you'll feel really old in Utah.  Move to upstate NY and you'll be the youngest kid on your block.

 

BK


Edited by Bode Klammer - 9/10/10 at 2:59pm
post #9 of 14

How about the Ogden Valley?

 

-Snowbasin & Powder Mountain within minutes.

-15/20 minutes to Ogden.

-1 hour to PC & SLC airport.

-Good time to buy Real Estate.

-No smog, no traffic, no chains etc.

 

Late Spring:

Valley view crop.jpg

 

Late Fall:

11-1-09 Ogden Valley.jpg

 

JF

post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post

They are about the same IMO. On I80 in parleys you have to contend with interstate  truck traffic and the fact that not everyone is going to have snows / 4X4. But the drive is multi lane and more well plowed.

 

LCC road is steeper, more snow covered, more exposed, and has alot of people on it as well. But since everyone is supposed to have snows  when its flashing its not so bad.


rachel is right IMO, LCC is less sketch due to slower traffic.

post #11 of 14

 

Quote:
 OTOH Utah has the highest divorce rate in the US (way higher than NY)

 

 

Utah does not have the highest divorce rate in the country, that honor appears to belong to Nevada.  It is higher than NY though.

Ref:  http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/Divorce%20Rates%2090%2095%20and%2099-07.pdf

post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 

Upstate N.Y. very nice, but the skiing and weather is just not Utah.  You can always point out an upstate N.Y. skier in Utah, they are out hootin and hollerin, praising conditions when the locals consider it the worst theyv'e seen in years.

 

I have heard Utah consumes alot of anti-depressants.  Most think this is caused by LDS marrying young, having alot of children with a big burden on women to be help out at home, in church, in the community, etc. not willing to to consume coffee, alcohol or illegal drugs, favoring legally prescribed medication taken properly.  So the statistic, sobering at face value, may actually reflect positively in the long run.

 

I have also heard there is a large appetite in the state for internet pornography.  Again explained by this being supressed and more of a "forbidden fruit" as the population of the state goes, combined with not being able to purchase in other formats in stores (dvd,etc.) again making an assumption that this does not reflect on the State well harder to justify.

 

Have not heard about the divorce rate until now, although elements of lifestyle in the State with young marriage and large families might explain it.

 

The Ogden Valley:

 

Very nice, I drove up there and and looked at some homes and townhouses with a real estate agent, shopped in THE supermarket.  Entered through the back door coming up from P.C. so I never went through Ogden Canyon but I hear it is magnificent, there are even homes, some riverside, in the canyon you can buy.  I even thought about a property big enough for horses and eventually acquiring one, or letting someone board thiers on the property.  My concerns are the views and skiing not as majestic or varied as the Cottonwoods (but equal to or better than P.C.) and if one or both of the valley resorts should close for any reason, you would be left with one or none to ski. And I would have to adjust to it's ruralness.  Also I've never been to Ogden itself, I hear it is up and coming with many ski companies relocating there.  But not eliminated from consideration by any means, just may take another look around.

 

RahcelV....I assume after your two month stay in SLC you opted to stay in N.Y.?   If so could you tell me the reasons you chose not to make the move?

post #13 of 14

Wise man say, "he who picks where he lives only for winter, soon moves"

 

meditate on it.

 

If you go back side, there are four seasons: Summer, Fall, Winter and Costa Rica. But what glorious seasons they are.

post #14 of 14
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Wise man say, "he who picks where he lives only for winter, soon moves"

 

Another wise man said "I came for the winter, but stayed for the summers"

 

JF
 

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