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Ideal 2 Quiver West Coast Ski combo?

post #1 of 24
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I have been doing a lot of reading about the skis of the last 4-5 years, I have not skied in 5 years, last ski was the XScream. Instead of buying one all mountain ski I'm thinking of going for a 2 quiver set up of a powder ski and an all mountain if I can can do it for <$1000. I am 5'9 185 and am aggressive advanced skier, still in good shape at 54. Is that a good idea?

 

Any and all ideas are appreciated. For example I have consider an IM88 or something similar for the all mtn ski, I recently saw a nice used pair for $399 with bindings. Is that too much ski for me? Will be skiing as Mt bachelor, we gets lots of snow, often on heavy side, but love the TREE skiing here. I imagine I will be at least 60% off piste and obviously much more on powder days. Thx in advance

post #2 of 24

Personally, I think the 2 ski quiver idea is a great idea !  You're making much less of a compromise that way. Getting a good all mountain ski that can carve and handle hard pack  as well as a fatter powder ski.

 

I ski mostly Stevens Pass and it sounds like you're on the right track.

 

As far as specific ski recommendations - that's up to you, how you ski, what you like, etc.  You should definitely be able to do it for $1k.  There are some decent 2009 - 2010 models out there for some good prices if you look around.

 

 

post #3 of 24

I have my 2 ski quiver for Mt Hood:

 

2007 Volkl AC3 118-76-104 @ 163 These now became AC30 and are now $629 online with iPT12 bindings

2010 Watea 94 130-94-118 @ 170  Got these pretty cheap at o2gearshop for $250 andi Rossi Freeski 120XL bindings at REI for $120)

 

As you can see, almost made it to a $1K :)

 

The AC3's made it to Mt Bachelor once, loved it there!

 

I'm 5'7'' 183#, level 7

 

Good luck with the choice,

 

Vlad

post #4 of 24

Two ski quiver would be the minimum needed by this gear whore. I would suggest pair one in the 88-99 waist range with pair two in the 115-125 waist range.

There are so many skis I like that fill both those spots, don't even get me started. Have fun doing your research/shopping.


Edited by liv2 ski - 9/10/10 at 9:09am
post #5 of 24

I am going two ski here in Tahoe. 

 

MX88 for the main ski for "hard pack"..right hardpack and snow up to 6"

 

Atomic Atlas (penciled in) for everything else

 

For the Epic powder dumps I will grab some demos but for the most part a 115 waisted Atlas should do it. 

post #6 of 24

 

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Is that a good idea?

 

Yes.  I just switched to a 2 ski quiver 2 years ago and feel like it's definitely the way to go in the PNW.  Heck, probably most places too, but I've been skiing in the PNW for the last 10 years so this is what I know best these days.
 

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Ideal 2 Quiver West Coast Ski combo?

 

Doesn't exist, you won't find a quiver that pleases everyone.

 

IM88 isn't a bad choice for the narrow ski in a quiver from what I've read of it, but I haven't skied it myself so take that for what it's worth.  I've skied the newer Peak and wasn't that impressed with it but I understand it changed noticeably when they changed it to the Peak.  Depending on the condition of the used ones, and what bindings are on there, 399 sounds kinda steep for a used ski that's now about to be 2 years old (at least).  Demo if you can.  If you can't/don't want to... then hopefully you know what you like (damp vs. lively, stiff vs. soft, etc.).  If not, well, take a chance on something cheap.

 

I'm skiing watea 94's as my skinny ski and Huge Troubles (115 waist) as my fat skis and I was awfully happy with the combo last year.  I don't anticipate any changes this year.

post #7 of 24

I'd take a look at the Scott Missions as a good all-mountain ski.  I've been skiing them for 2 seasons now and have no complaints.  I'm pretty light (150lbs) and ride the 178's, but its a pretty soft ski so you'd definitely want to go longer I'd think.  It's 90mm underfoot, so very versatile.  These puppies can turn too, so they're perfect for the trees!

 

post #8 of 24
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Thx for some of the suggestions, I was entertaining a Blizzard package using one binding, the Argos (older 09) and perhaps the 8.7 or 8.1? You guys have any feedback on this? Jim and Phil can you make me a deal? Another choice for my all mtn non powder ski - the Enforcer?

post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by TheBachelor View Post

Thx for some of the suggestions, I was entertaining a Blizzard package using one binding, the Argos (older 09) and perhaps the 8.7 or 8.1? You guys have any feedback on this? Jim and Phil can you make me a deal? Another choice for my all mtn non powder ski - the Enforcer?


We are totally sold out of older Blizzis and they are a bit hard to come by at any kind of deal. However, they are great skis and there is nothing wrong with the one binding two ski program. For Bachelor snow, the Argos is not a bad call but it's a stout ski and would take some work on your part. It is really more of a big mtn charger than a powder ski. Personally, I would choose the Mag 8.7 over the 8.1 and would suggest the Answer over the Argos.

 

The Enforcer is a great OSQ, but as your narrow ski.....I dunno. IAC as of my last day at work this week, we still had the screamin' deal on the '07 Enforcer (177) for $199. Not sure if those are sold out or not.

 

We might be able to work out an early bird deal on two pr. of the 2011 Blizzis when they get in but it wouldn't make your budget. Probably worth it though to get just the right thing.

 

SJ

post #10 of 24
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We are totally sold out of older Blizzis and they are a bit hard to come by at any kind of deal. However, they are great skis and there is nothing wrong with the one binding two ski program. For Bachelor snow, the Argos is not a bad call but it's a stout ski and would take some work on your part. It is really more of a big mtn charger than a powder ski. Personally, I would choose the Mag 8.7 over the 8.1 and would suggest the Answer over the Argos.

 

The Enforcer is a great OSQ, but as your narrow ski.....I dunno. IAC as of my last day at work this week, we still had the screamin' deal on the '07 Enforcer (177) for $199. Not sure if those are sold out or not.

 

We might be able to work out an early bird deal on two pr. of the 2011 Blizzis when they get in but it wouldn't make your budget. Probably worth it though to get just the right thing.

 

SJ



Tough choices! LOL  I might go for a Blizzi package as you mentioned, I was a bit surprised that you thought the Argos might be a bit too much for me at Mt B as I thought it was one of your fav's for the heavy Tahoe area snow? Also how would the Kastle MX88 be for a one quiver ski - too narrow?

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Tough choices! LOL  I might go for a Blizzi package as you mentioned, I was a bit surprised that you thought the Argos might be a bit too much for me at Mt B as I thought it was one of your fav's for the heavy Tahoe area snow? Also how would the Kastle MX88 be for a one quiver ski - too narrow?


If I had to choose ONE ski to own, it would be the MX88. It is one of the rare skis goes beyond it's dimensions. It will ski like a narrow(er) waisted ski on hard snow when needed and be great in deeper snow when asked. 

post #12 of 24
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 Also how would the Kastle MX88 be for a one quiver ski - too narrow?


For predominately non powder use, with maybe up to 6" of fresh, a 88 waist ski is a great call in my opinion. For deeper snow, I really like a wider waist. Hence the need for a 2 pair quiver.

If you can take the time to do your research in the Tech Talk forum at TGR, you will then find a lot of good deals in the Gear Swap forum. Just do your home work and post in the correct forum or you will be quickly jonged.

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/

post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 

you guys have any good deals on those? I know they are very spendy.

 

Thx

 

post #14 of 24

another vote for the mx 88, its my one ski i'm positive i will be on this year.. uber versitile. stabile, quick not overly damp, point and shoot ski...

post #15 of 24
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you guys have any good deals on those? I know they are very spendy.

 

Thx

 


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You workin at the shop today? perhaps I could call to discuss.

post #17 of 24

Since you ski Bachelor, talk to Scott (dawgcatching).  Despite having 4 skis in my quiver I really use only two- Mojo94 as an all-mountain ski and Dynastar Huge (115) as a sof snow/pow ski.  If I was choosing today, I would have still gone with a 94mm ski on the narrow end and a 115 at the fat end. Nothing wrong with my Heads, but I am intrigued by Salomon Sentinel and the whatever the 94 Blizzi makes, forgot the name at the moment.  For the fat ski, I would have gone with the Dynastar ProRider, a rockered 115 ski that impressed me hugely last year, or the new SixSense Huge (also 115 but a double rocker).    Make sure you get skis with some dampening and beef for the heavier PNW snow (although I think Bachelor powder is lighter than MtHood cement).   Good luck.  Never tried the Kastle, looking forward to demoing some this season if I get the chance. 

post #18 of 24

If you are planning on spending as much time as possible skiing Bachelor you really, really, really want to get yourself some good cruiser/carving skis.  During the dry spells it's a blast to do SG turns down the empty runs all over the mountain, but especially on the runs off Northwest Express.  Sure you can do it on skis like IM-88s (or whatever they are called now) but its much more fun on a true carving ski (especially when the freeze/thaw cycles get stuck on freeze.)

post #19 of 24

yeah, as much as we all want to believe, we don't all get pow everyday..... (and that sucks!) 

post #20 of 24
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If you are planning on spending as much time as possible skiing Bachelor you really, really, really want to get yourself some good cruiser/carving skis.  During the dry spells it's a blast to do SG turns down the empty runs all over the mountain, but especially on the runs off Northwest Express.  Sure you can do it on skis like IM-88s (or whatever they are called now) but its much more fun on a true carving ski (especially when the freeze/thaw cycles get stuck on freeze.)



From what I have read the Kastle MX88 sounds like an awesome all mtn cruiser, so I thought I might start there and maybe later in the season pick up a poweder ski on the cheap if I think I want/need one.

post #21 of 24
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Tough choices! LOL  I might go for a Blizzi package as you mentioned, I was a bit surprised that you thought the Argos might be a bit too much for me at Mt B as I thought it was one of your fav's for the heavy Tahoe area snow? Also how would the Kastle MX88 be for a one quiver ski - too narrow?

 

I tend to favor the '08-9 Argos a bit over the 09-10. The 10-11 is changed again and I personally think for the better. However, I was responding to what you asked for which was a powder ski. For that purpose, the Argos of any generation would not be my fave. The 10-11 would be the best of the various Argos models for that but the Answer is a better choice.

 

An 88mm ski not too narrow for an OSQ as long as the ski has a reasonable enough flex to turn itself in 3D snow and the MX 88 fits that bill. FWIW....and within certain limits, the flex is more important than a few mm of width.

 

SJ
 

post #22 of 24
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From what I have read the Kastle MX88 sounds like an awesome all mtn cruiser, so I thought I might start there and maybe later in the season pick up a poweder ski on the cheap if I think I want/need one.


Those are a good ski to start with as your everyday ski there and you'll want to get a good powder ski to complement it but down the road I'll be you'll be tempted to get a true groomer ski if you're up there all the time.  Many locals don't bother skiing 'icy' conditions which, growing up skiing Mt. Ashland, I always considered packed and East Coast skiers considered packed powder.  My friends & I loved Bachelor when it was 'icy' because the groomers were empty.  We all kept a pair of 'Mt Bachelor' skis just for bombing down the groomers and we live 200 miles away.

post #23 of 24

One factor is how much you want to index for powder vs groomers. I Iive on the east coast and ski about half my days here, half in the west. So it's possible I've indexed more to groomers (and ice) than you'll need.

 

That said - my two-ski quiver for this winter is Head SuperShape Magnums (2009) and Blizzard Titan Argos (2010).

 

If I lived in the PNW, I'd probably go with something in the 80s and something over 110 instead, though.

post #24 of 24

 

I ski primarily at Mt. Hood Meadows and Bachelor, and am very happy with my current 2-ski quiver - 2008 IM88s and 2009 Megawatts.  The monsters are great for all conditions except for those days when we have 2 feet of fresh concrete and the snow turns to rain 1/4 mile down from the parking lot.  On those days, the megawatts absolutely tear it up. 

 

On another note, i was bummed to see that Head changed the IM88s last season.  why mess with such a great ski? 

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