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Fischer (Tyrolia) Binding difference: Z13 to Z17

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

Looking for anyone that knows any real difference (obviously other than DIN range...)

ie, do they both have metal toe pieces?  Neither? 

 

The Z13 will put me more in the middle of the DIN range (I chart out to a 9) but I can go with the 17 if it's a better binding.  

I am a racer.

post #2 of 12

IIRC, Tyrolia starts metal toe pieces at 18 DIN.  So probably neither.

 

Tyrolia's technical database is here.  It doesn't include Fischer, though.

 

Looking at Fischer's site, the difference between the 17 and the 13 appears to be the Pro heel (hence the different brake).

 

FWIW, I also run a 9-10 DIN, and use the predecessor of the 17 regularly without incident.  I'm sure the same would be true of the 13.

post #3 of 12

If you need, we have some skis from the consignment that have 17DIN ff's. They have Elan on them but same binding...$100.00 shipped.

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

If you need, we have some skis from the consignment that have 17DIN ff's. They have Elan on them but same binding...$100.00 shipped.



Those Elan Bindings...they are used or new?  DIN range?  Green?

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Those Elan Bindings...they are used or new?  DIN range?  Green?


From the consignment sale, they'll be used.

 

17s are 6-17.

post #6 of 12

Thanks, yeah, used. I might have a new pair of Elans..green. If so, they wull be under 200 shipped. 

post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thanks.  So, LD heel vs Pro heel.  Pro has lower stand height and according to the Tyrolia site, the LD heel releases sideways whereas the Pro heel only releases upward?

 

So from a safety standpoint it sounds like the 13 is better.  I like the lateral heel release, I assume it is similar to the look turntable, so in that case I would go for the 13, unless there is some huge advantage to the pro heel.

post #8 of 12

Pro heel is burlier.  It also releases diagonally, but only after vertical movement unlocks the horizontal.  And release is only safer if you're safer without your skis on than with.

 

Either is a fine choice.

post #9 of 12

Have Fischer stayed with the diagonal heel for the Z17?

 

Tyrolia/Head have switched to a non-diagonal heel for the Mojo/Peak 15 and the heavier Freeflex models - so far I haven't seen a non-diagonal Fischer Z17/Z18, but all my bindings are a couple-of-three years old.

post #10 of 12

Good question.  Not sure.

post #11 of 12

There isa  non-diagonal 17 or 18. Also, the delta is different between some of the higher DIN bindings and the lower DIN ones. There are so many though that I wouldn't dare try to say which is which.

post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 

Anecdotally (which is all most people seem to be able to do with ski technology....)  The tryolia site differentiates between the Light Diagonal (LD) and Race Pro heel with two animations, the LD animation shows lateral release (After upward motion)  and the race pro animation does not show any diagonal motion.

 

On the tyrolia tech database linked above, the Freeflex 11 for example has the "PB LD 78" for the BRAKE which I take to mean it has the light diagonal HEEL. and the freeflex 15 and 18 have the "PB Race Pro 17-78" brake which I take to mean race pro heel.

 

If you scroll way down you will find that the freeflex 17 before 2008 lists the PB LD 78 "brake" which I take to mean the LD heel.

07-08 appears to be the first year the race pro heel appeared, and only in the 18x binding.

In 08-09 the 15 and 17 also took the race pro heel.

 

On the Fischer site, the Z17 is listed as having the "PB Pro 17-78" in the random list of features below the image, while the Z13 lists the PB LD 78.

For further confusion, the Z18 FF Race Service lists the "Race ND" heel on fischer's site, a term which does not appear in the tyrolia db as of 09-10.

 

This is mostly circumstantial evidence but its something.

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