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Top o' the line binding question

Poll Results: which would you pick

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 24% of voters (8)
    Look PX 12
  • 21% of voters (7)
    Look Pivot
  • 24% of voters (8)
    Rossi FKS 155
  • 0% of voters (0)
    Salomon Sth 16
  • 12% of voters (4)
    Salomon Sth 14
  • 18% of voters (6)
    Marker Dukes
33 Total Votes  
post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 

Hey guys,

I'm looking at buying a ski that I will be using over the next few years.  Either the Icelantic Shaman, Salomon Czar, or PM Gear's Lhasa Pow, and now I'm wondering what bindings to put on them.  I figure, if I'm going to plunk down on these, should I also fork out the dough for FKS or Look Pivot bindings?  I like the idea that I can sell them at any time if need be.  I like that they are somewhat light and all metal.  But I'm 150 lbs, and my Look PX 12's on my Salomon 1080's have been very good to me.  I run the DIN at 9 and see no need for running it up, but do I want those $400 bindings?  They might last me forever, sooo.... I'm stuck.  I think if I end up with the Lhasa Pows I will throw down on the $$$ ones, but just not sure.  Also considering the Salomon Sth 16.  

Any input on these bad boys?  Do I have to have the pivot?  Does the pivoting motion feel like slop, or is it really nice?  I spend most of my time with the trees in that soft stuff.

post #2 of 26

14 DIN'ers are fine

 

Either Look or Rossi TT's

Sth14 (16 STARTS at a 9)

Griffon

PX14

 

There are 6 bindings you can go "eanie, meanie miney moe" and not make a bad choice. If it came down to color? Not a bad choice. If it came down the best anagram you could make out of the name and model? Still not a bad choice. Rock,paper, scissors? Again, not a bad choice. Get the idea? 

 

Duke, only if you are to be touring. If so..let me know if you want a lightly used pair ($225.00 shipped)

post #3 of 26

Have to agree with Philpug. Don't get me wrong, the Dukes are a great binding but for the $$ the Griffons or even Jesters make more sense. I mean, you're not hucking your meat off of 50 footers are you?

 

About the only other reason I would suggest the Dukes instead is if you are going to be doing some sledcountry/slackcountry skiing. If  you are actually going to be touring or in the BC, well, who wants to slog those Dukes up a hill? You do that enough and you'll just eventually put some Dynafits on. The difference is amazing.

 

Speaking of used bindings.... I have a few that I will gladly part company with: Naxos, Fritchie Freeride Pluses. They're hold overs from my "before I found religion/dynafit" days.

post #4 of 26

I see no Tyrolia Peak/Head Mojo option.  I can not participate.

post #5 of 26
Thread Starter 

so I take it there's nothing at all wrong with the

Look 2010 PX R 15 FS Black Ski Bindings?

I think I might go with those unless I get the Czar, in which case I'll brand it up with the Sth 14.  Thanks for all the help.  Phil, I'm trying to send my buddy who's lookin for a set of skis over to Start Haus this weekend to pick up those 174 BROs.  $500 might be a little steep for him, but I think he's gonna show up to see what's there no matter what.  He's a short guy named Ryan.  I told him to ask for you. Trying to talk him into custom footbeds too.

post #6 of 26
Thread Starter 

you can still make a case if you wish.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by FujativeOCR View Post

I see no Tyrolia Peak/Head Mojo option.  I can not participate.

post #7 of 26

Anything on the list would work just fine (Dukes only make sense if you go touring on them, otherwise they just add weight and stack height- both are negative for a pair of freeride skis).   You can (or at least were able last eyar) to get the Pivot in DIN14 (plastic) toe configuration.  DIN 18 toe is different, metal, and is a single-pivot design.  In my view you should pay extra for a DIN18 only if you huck serious cliffs for a living and want to make sure that you never pop out on a landing (and accept a slightly higher risk of knee injury, as single pivot toe does not have vertical release).  PX15 is also a single pivot toe with the same drawbacks. Also, the PX15 starts at DIN8 or 9, so you will be close to the end of the range there, which is theoretically not as good as being in the middle. So in my view you will be much better off with a Pivot 14, as you would get a better heel piece and arguably a lighter and safer toe.  Nothing is wrong with the PX15 but at this point I would also look at PX14 which you probably can get for a lot less $$$.

 

Pivot binding has no absolutely no slop when you click in.   Tyrolia Peak15 (Mojo15) also has a good reputation, although I personally prefer the LOOK heel becuase it is a lot easier to click into it in powder- you can just use your hand.    

 

For WIIW, my friends huck medium cliffs on Din12 bindings (Jester and P-12), and they do just fine.  I run DIN8.5 and I am very happy with PX14 bindings, but I have PX12 too and they work just as well. 

post #8 of 26

You state that your DIN is a 9.  The STH-16 you have on the list starts at 9, so I wouldn't recommend you buy those.  You could, but there are better options out there.  Marker Baron, FKS/Pivot 14, MOJO 15, STH-14 Driver are all good bindings, with DIN ranges more suited to you.

 

 

edit:  I personally LOVE my 916s.  I like everything they do and they've never done me wrong.  But I run my DINs at 12.  I cannot ever bring myself to ski a FKS/Pivot ever again.  Not because they're a bad binding, but i sat/landed on a Pivot heel once, and due to the shape and location of the heel, was a very scary situation.  I ran a pair of Tyrolia D10s for a few years and only stopped using them because it was hard to find wide brakes for them.


Edited by Caucasian Asian - 9/1/10 at 5:27pm
post #9 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caucasian Asian View Post

You state that your DIN is a 9.  The STH-16 you have on the list starts at 9, so I wouldn't recommend you buy those.  You could, but there are better options out there.  Marker Baron, FKS/Pivot 14, MOJO 15, STH-14 Driver are all good bindings, with DIN ranges more suited to you.

 

 

edit:  I personally LOVE my 916s.  I like everything they do and they've never done me wrong.  But I run my DINs at 12.  I cannot ever bring myself to ski a FKS/Pivot ever again.  Not because they're a bad binding, but i sat/landed on a Pivot heel once, and due to the shape and location of the heel, was a very scary situation.  I ran a pair of Tyrolia D10s for a few years and only stopped using them because it was hard to find wide brakes for them.


Worse was Geze...a friend of mine did the same thin on a Geze..talk about your square peg in a round hole. 

post #10 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philpug View Post




Worse was Geze...a friend of mine did the same thin on a Geze..talk about your square peg in a round hole. 


I'm really hoping to avoid that situation with my Dukes.  But since I stopped skiing in the park, most of the time when I crash now it's over the handlebars.  And over and over and over.

post #11 of 26

I disagree about the Look heel being easier to click into in powder.  I use both Look and Tyrolia.  Currently have a PX14 on my BarHoppers.  I've had several of the last gen Pivot heals, before the recent revival.  I think in both cases, with and without the pivot, they develop some slop in them, and tend to get stuck halfway in the middle between open and closed, requireing hand adjustments before being able to click in.  On top of that the Pivots get stuck sideways as well.  Salomon and Tyrolia you don't really have to worry about that.  It's either clicked closed or it isn't.

 

I've also had durability problems in the past with the plastic toe pieces on Looks and Rossignol.  Particularly the Plastic Spring Loaded Anti Friction Device if it has it, and the plastic cover over the DIN scale.  You can kick and break the ABS while trying to knock snow off your boot. (once at least, then you learn your lesson).

 

Salomon I havent used since the S912 and S914's were out.  Only real complaint with them is the occasional adjusting of the wings that's required.  Haven't used any Z12's or STH bindings.

 

No complaints at all about Tyrolia or Head yet.

post #12 of 26

The easier comment about LOOKs was that you can actually close the heel with your hand, on a Head/Solly heel you need to step on it, which sometimes is a bit hard in powder.  But as SJ said, the binding question is SOOO overagonized- the truth is that they all work these days. 

post #13 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

The easier comment about LOOKs was that you can actually close the heel with your hand, on a Head/Solly heel you need to step on it, which sometimes is a bit hard in powder.  But as SJ said, the binding question is SOOO overagonized- the truth is that they all work these days.


Sooo true. 

post #14 of 26

x 3

post #15 of 26

Personally I'm a Look guy and IMO P(FKS) > PX.  

 

14's and under have the cheaper (more plastic) toe piece and 15's and higher have the better (more metal) toe... the heels are the same.  

 

The new fks (pivots) only come in 14 & 18 so if you want a metal toe fks 15 you're gonna have to look for something used.  

(This is what I would consider your top of the line pick, and what I VOTED for )  

 

PX15's are still available new but like I said, P(FKS) > PX!!  

 

The rest has been said.  Let us know what you end up with!!

post #16 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayPowHound View Post
14's and under have the cheaper (more plastic) toe piece and 15's and higher have the better (more metal) toe... the heels are the same.  

 

The new fks (pivots) only come in 14 & 18 so if you want a metal toe fks 15 you're gonna have to look for something used.  

(This is what I would consider your top of the line pick, and what I VOTED for )  

It's worth noting again (since Alexzn already made this point and I missed it the first time through) that on the Pivots (and new FKS), the 14 DIN bindings have the Full Drive toe rather than only having lateral release...which to me is worth more than the durability of a metal toe given I too ski around a 9-Din and like my knees intact.
 

post #17 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by skiborsy View Post

It's worth noting again (since Alexzn already made this point and I missed it the first time through) that on the Pivots (and new FKS), the 14 DIN bindings have the Full Drive toe rather than only having lateral release...which to me is worth more than the durability of a metal toe given I too ski around a 9-Din and like my knees intact.
 



different toes for different skiers....

 

I much prefer the all metal, lateral only toes (15, 18 DIN)     

post #18 of 26

I think I would be on the full drive toe bandwagon if I had to choose.  I <3 my knees.

post #19 of 26

Nothing I have used compares to the FKS 155. Nothing. Although the Peak/Mojo 15's come close.

post #20 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayPowHound View Post
  

 

14's and under have the cheaper (more plastic) toe piece and 15's and higher have the better (more metal) toe... the heels are the same.  

 

 

 

Not true about the heels.  The PX12 has a much longer mounting point and uses a tab adjustment compared to the worm drive of the PX14 or any of the race varieties.  For this reason I would not consider the PX12 a top of the line binding.

 

 

post #21 of 26

Just spent a week on skis with Vist Speedlock plates with Vist Race 614 bindings.  Loved travelling with multiple skis with one set of bindings (not just weight saved but reduced bulk in the ski bag).  Also loved the ability to move the bindings forward and back; on my Stockli Laser SX it took only a couple of minutes whilst on snow to move the bindings to find the sweet spot.  I'll be putting this set-up on all of my on-piste skis.

post #22 of 26

in a similar situtaion, so if what i am reading is right, i am a 9 DIN and its bettr to be in the middle of the DIN range?  better toe release on FKS 14's but plastic (easier damaged)  and because of the elasticity provides more slop?  problem when clicking back in?  and Tyrolia is either closed or not..... tyrolia Peak 14 xth for some Armada JJ's?  New and sorry to take anything away from OP.

post #23 of 26

maybe ignorance is bliss, but I own or have recently owned px 12, px15, solly sth, 914, 912, Tyrolia/Head/Elan 12s, and marker race.

 

From a performance/reliability/function standpoint, I've had no issues with any of them.

 

Differences come down to weight, DIN, ease of entry/release and aesthetics. I ski a DIN of 9-10.

post #24 of 26

I am a Look guy and own 2 pairs of the Look PX12 TI's.

 

Based upon your original post, weight etc., I would suggest them for the price point. Tramdock still has them at a discounted price.

 

If you want touring capability go with the Markers.

 

As many said at this point it is splitting hairs.

post #25 of 26

I haven't been a fan of the Look Toe Piece for awhile.  Broke several AFD's on them as well as the plastic piece over the DIN scale.  Also used to have trouble with the brakes on the Turntable heels.  Such a tough metal that if you bent them, as would always happen while crashing switch landings, they were nearly impossible to ever bend back.  That being said, I still use a set of PX14's on my current powder skis.

 

Haven't had a brake/plastic/AFD issue with a Tyrolia yet.

post #26 of 26

If you decide to go with the Jesters, and you are not certain of the optimal mounting point, consider the Jester Demo over the Schizo.  The demo version is a lot cheaper than the Schizo, a little bit lighter, and takes 20 seconds more to adjust.  BTW, I've never had problems with LOOK, but what do I know?

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