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Are there bad skis for anyone?

post #1 of 28
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I've come across some really sweet deals on very gently used ski gear.  As the beneficiary of seemingly foolish purchases or other unfortunate situations I've gotta ask...  What is the shortest amount of time you have given to a new pair of skis before deciding you don't like them and want to sell them to someone else.  Please elaborate....

 

I picked up a pair of mid 90s K2 EPX Carbons for $35 that were mounted but unused and decided after half a run that they were far too soft for me (and I'm not a big guy).  I guess that some research might have kept me from wasting 40 bucks, or not? 

 

After a mid morning break at the car the only other action they got out of me was taking them to the church yard sale haha...

 

What's your excuse for tossing a pretty new pair of skis to the never again pile?

post #2 of 28

There are no bad skis.

post #3 of 28

ebayed a pair of atomic beta 9.18's 170 cm long, in good shape but the bindings were mounted too small for my boots, and they were way way way too soft for me, so i gave them to my mom, she loves em

post #4 of 28

Bad skis? No.

Better skis? Yes.

post #5 of 28

Well, some skis don't fit ones needs and abilities. I bought some 193 Sugar Daddy's mounted with Griffons this summer at Play It Again Sports here in Central New York for $80. Looked like they had been used once. Called my skinut  son who lives slopeside in the PNW and asked him if they would be a good powder ski for me. He said" Sure, if you can figure a way to be 35 years younger and learn to like skiing real fast". All was not lost. Sold the Griffons for $90. My ski bench. A work in progress.

 

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post #6 of 28
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What is the shortest amount of time you have given to a new pair of skis before deciding you don't like them and want to sell them to someone else.  Please elaborate....

 

 


A.  About 1 minute, which is the time it took me to get the skis to my workbench and put a true bar on the base.  I bought a pair of skis from a  company off eBay and thought I got a really great deal.  Unfortunately, the concavity of the bases was the worst I'd ever seen so I sent them right back.  Now, the dirty secret is most new non-race stock ski bases are not perfectly flat.  I figure a tiny bit of concavity on the bases of powder skis is no big deal.  But these skis were obviously factory seconds.
 

post #7 of 28
Thread Starter 

OK, not so great eBay and Play It Again deals.. How about brand new from a ski shop?  What did you buy and hate?

 

My first pair if brand new hart Gremlins was WAY too big for me.  I persevered and skied them anyway even though they held me back all year.  They were still too big after a full season and I replaced them the following year with something 10 cm shorter after I had grown 15.

 

Who bought new skis, hated them,  then got rid of them after a day or two?

post #8 of 28

A variation on what Ghost said....There are many more wrong skis than bad skis.

 

 

post #9 of 28

I don't think I've ever sold a ski before because I didn't like it.  I just learned to ski it.

post #10 of 28

I guess I always demo.  I've demoed skis, used them one run and about thrown them at the guy who pushed them on me because the ones I really wanted to demo were out.

post #11 of 28
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I guess I always demo.  I've demoed skis, used them one run and about thrown them at the guy who pushed them on me because the ones I really wanted to demo were out.



That's a real mature reaction.

post #12 of 28

Well, clearly they weren't THROWN.  Just a frustrated turn of phrase.  I've found that since I'm a "mature female" I'm always getting skis pushed on me that are clearly for lower level skiers, you wouldn't believe young male ski shop employees....  And since I can't remember the specifics of every ski in every line, there's a good chance that if I'm waiting for a ski to come back in from its trial that I'll end up with something that is NOT for me.  It ticks me off quite a bit. 
 

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That's a real mature reaction.

post #13 of 28



the entire atomic beta cor(air core, we used to say) series was made intentionally with a lot of concavity in the base. can't service them like other skis. fortunately they're back on track with skis with more than air in the core

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A.  About 1 minute, which is the time it took me to get the skis to my workbench and put a true bar on the base.  I bought a pair of skis from a  company off eBay and thought I got a really great deal.  Unfortunately, the concavity of the bases was the worst I'd ever seen so I sent them right back.  Now, the dirty secret is most new non-race stock ski bases are not perfectly flat.  I figure a tiny bit of concavity on the bases of powder skis is no big deal.  But these skis were obviously factory seconds.
 



SH, handle the skis you own more, a whole lot actually, and you'll have a sense of flex characteristics to help with comparisons and evaluations of skis to try. It's not the only property of a ski, but sounds like the one that you get undersold on (soft ladies skis). young guys in shops have more attitude than necessary to help people out. also, if you put your boots on in the shop, step into the bindings and press fore and aft a little, you can feel the flex in the center of the ski. If you can't get the tips off the floor with the amount of force you normally exert on your skis, you probably will find the ski too stiff.

post #14 of 28
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Originally Posted by FujativeOCR View Post

I don't think I've ever sold a ski before because I didn't like it.  I just learned to ski it.



yeah, I often don't know how much I hated a ski until I start skiing on the next one. one adapts.

post #15 of 28

Yeah, they're always putting me on these noodles.  Just weight-wise, I need a stiffer ski than most women. 
 

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the entire atomic beta cor(air core, we used to say) series was made intentionally with a lot of concavity in the base. can't service them like other skis. fortunately they're back on track with skis with more than air in the core



SH, handle the skis you own more, a whole lot actually, and you'll have a sense of flex characteristics to help with comparisons and evaluations of skis to try. It's not the only property of a ski, but sounds like the one that you get undersold on (soft ladies skis). young guys in shops have more attitude than necessary to help people out. also, if you put your boots on in the shop, step into the bindings and press fore and aft a little, you can feel the flex in the center of the ski. If you can't get the tips off the floor with the amount of force you normally exert on your skis, you probably will find the ski too stiff.

post #16 of 28

Rental Shop Dude:  "Hello ma'am, how can I help you today?"

 

SibHusky: "I need something fun to ride."

 

Rental Shop Dude:  "I can help you with that, what are you looking for?"

 

SibHusky:  "I'm looking for a stiffy.  I have no use for a noodle."

 

Rental Shop Dude:  ""

post #17 of 28

Half a day and I was back at the shop I bought a pair of used (1981'ish green-white-blue) K-2 "trick" skis from.  Guy swore they would be great since I was coming off SL's and this would be a performance upgrade for me.  Stiff as 2X4's short and would not turn since they had like "0" flex.  He took the soft Nordica boots back too.

 

Overall he was nice enough but I had to remind him that he was the one who talked me out of things and into these.

 

Disagree with the statement that there are no bad skis.  There are many skis that should never been put on the rack for sale.

post #18 of 28
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Rental Shop Dude:  "Hello ma'am, how can I help you today?"

 

SibHusky: "I need something fun to ride."

 

Rental Shop Dude:  "I can help you with that, what are you looking for?"

 

SibHusky:  "I'm looking for a stiffy.  I have no use for a noodle."

 

Rental Shop Dude:  ""



I'd be lying if I denied thnking along those same lines reading the post.. haha

post #19 of 28

A lot of times it's not the ski, but the tune (or lack thereof).

post #20 of 28
Thread Starter 

Last winter we got a pretty big dump for Durham so I decided to try out a pair of fatties.

 

 

 

 

 

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These are about 150 underfoot.

 

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I didn't like them much at all but it could have been the tune or the mounting point.  But I really doubt it was the boots

 

 

post #21 of 28

I had a pair of Head Mad Trix 190's(grey and white) from 2001.  Tried them a couple of runs over the course of 2-3 days when I bought them new in 2002.  They were the Johnny Mosley Dinner Roll skis from the Olympics.  Real pro skis.  Stiff as all get out.  Hated them. I'm 5'8 and 200 lbs could not get the things to bend.  They languished in the basement for years.

 

Last year in a ski dumping fit I put them on craigslist.  I then talked everyone out of buying them.  Knowing they had to have the right home, I couldn't send some poor unsuspecting teen into the park thinking they would ollie off of every hit.   I couldn't find the right person.

 

Mid season one of my fellow instructors busted a pair of skis.  I told him he could use the Mad Trix for the day.  And,  by the way they are for sale.   He shows up later in the day and says they are the best skis he has ever been on.  Fancy that.  I quoted him a very low price.  Maybe $75.  He gave me $85 and bought a couple of pitchers.  He used them for the rest of the season as his everyday ski.  Teaching, park, freeriding, and clinics.  He was 6'2 and 200lbs.

 

So bad skis?  No.  Wrong skier.  I look at it like the Cinderella story or like the Goldilocks and the Three Bears tale.  Finding what is just right may take a while, but it will happen.  In the case of the Mad Trix, it took 8 years.

 

Now,  If I can find skiers to match to the rest gear in my basement.  Singing, " Matchmaker, matchmaker, make me a match..........."

post #22 of 28

I had a pal that bought the Mad Trix and hated it as well.  He was like 5'8" and 160 maybe.

post #23 of 28

Elan Stealth 87/45/87, not a good ski for ANYONE. 

post #24 of 28


 

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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

Last winter we got a pretty big dump for Durham so I decided to try out a pair of fatties.

 

 

 

 

 

BuriedForesterFront.jpg

 

These are about 150 underfoot.

 

SnowCatBox.jpg

 

SnowCatFeet.jpg

 

 

I didn't like them much at all but it could have been the tune or the mounting point.  But I really doubt it was the boots

 

 

The real problem isn't the ski's. It's the affiliation with the wrong side of the Red River Rivalry.
 

post #25 of 28
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Half a day and I was back at the shop I bought a pair of used (1981'ish green-white-blue) K-2 "trick" skis from.  Guy swore they would be great since I was coming off SL's and this would be a performance upgrade for me.  Stiff as 2X4's short and would not turn since they had like "0" flex.  He took the soft Nordica boots back too.

 

Overall he was nice enough but I had to remind him that he was the one who talked me out of things and into these.

 

Disagree with the statement that there are no bad skis.  There are many skis that should never been put on the rack for sale.



I agree with your dissenting position. Most of the skis made are crap when you think of it. The stuff you see in the lift line an hour before the resort opens is the best of the best. Even for intermediate skiers, some skis have too much sidecut, crappy flex distribution, lifeless rebound, poor construction, cheap materials, lousy durability, ugly topsheets, and so on.

post #26 of 28
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The real problem isn't the ski's. It's the affiliation with the wrong side of the Red River Rivalry.
 


We shall see about that this year

 

But just to be on the safe regardless of I did my graduate work in the UT system.  If it isn't looking well for the good guys I can always change jerseys at halftime and put that ugly orange one on (Earl Campbell #20 throwback)

 

 I rather enjoyed watching them beat USC a few years ago as my dad was an SC alumn.

Regardless, one thing most skiers agree on is that Texas Sucks!
 

post #27 of 28
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We shall see about that this year

 

But just to be on the safe regardless of I did my graduate work in the UT system.  If it isn't looking well for the good guys I can always change jerseys at halftime and put that ugly orange one on (Earl Campbell #20 throwback)

 

 I rather enjoyed watching them beat USC a few years ago as my dad was an SC alumn.

Regardless, one thing most skiers agree on is that Texas Sucks!
 

That's why when a job opportunity presented itself in Orygun, I didn't hesitate to give away most of my furniture, and threw my clothes in the car for a 2500 mile road trip.
 

post #28 of 28

 

Huh? was expecting the "why Texas is not falling into the Gulf"-type of response :)

 

But who am I to judge? I flew over half of the world to plant my roots into the OR soil.
 

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That's why when a job opportunity presented itself in Orygun, I didn't hesitate to give away most of my furniture, and threw my clothes in the car for a 2500 mile road trip.
 


getting back to sucky skis - rental Salomon X-Wing 400. But I should be fair - probably mostly on the account of being rentals...

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