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A power side edge beveler

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

Here is a question for the experts.  Last year on 'Truth in Motion' Jake Zamansky was tuning his own skiis with a power edge beveler.

Does anyone know what device he was using.  Also, does anyone have experience with the Winterstieger Discman?  Also, anyone familiar with the Verdonk Racing side edge beveler?

 

Like any other Masters racer I am always looking for improved precision in less time.  Any thoughts on the above?

Thanks

post #2 of 20

I'm not one of your tuning experts, but I think the tool sold by Verdonk is the SnowGlide (www.snowglidetools.com). 

 

I'm kinda interested in the guide someone makes (can't remember the name) that uses a Dremel tool.  Like almost everyone else, I have a Dremel that is used only a handful of times a year.  The guide should be a whole lot cheaper than the WC designed SnowGlide and Discman.  But is it any good?  I have no idea. And is any of this worth it to a non-WC racer?  For a coach tuning a bunch of junior skis power equipment could be cool.  But for a guy like me tuning for friends and family?  A luxury. 

 

I imagine I tune similar to the way you do, only using a file to change a side edge, and setting/ sharpening/maintaining everything else with ceramic or diamond stones.  My kitchen knives are just as sharp or sharper when I use a series of stones compared to a "pro" using a machine. Therefore, I can't see a machine making the edges sharper without it costing a small forture, but then again I am no "expert"  WC level tuner or World Cup level skier.

post #3 of 20

Jake used the TRIone.  Italian made. Used by many techs on the WC. About $2500.

In the U.S., available through Sportstar International in SLC. Nobody needs one, but they do work and they remove such little edge that many feel they prolong edge "life" which is key with ultra thin race edges.

post #4 of 20

Trione is at the moment the most used device on WC. You can get it for around 1200-1300eur here, which, at least in my opinion, is "a bit" too much for home use. Almost every WC tech I was talking about this thing is telling, if they wouldn't get them from team/company and they would need to pay for it on their own, they would still be using normal files ;)

But otherwise it's really cool machine. It makes your work much much easier, and it's actually fun to do skis this way. But as I wrote... 1200eur for it is "a bit" expensive for my taste. ;)

post #5 of 20

the U.S. race market is split between the TRIone, and the Snowglide. these both work extremely well, and there are pros and cons to each. price is about the same for each. I do not feel that there is a clear best choice between those two. We own and use the Snowglide at our shop. We have had many podiums in the Tahoe area with athletes on skis prepped with the Snowglide. We chose the Snowglide because the ski sits base up, and it is ergonomically easier to keep the device clean on the edge.

 

I have talked to a parent of a top level collegiate athlete that is using a portable battery operated unit that is distributed by wintersteiger that is considerably cheaper, but i have no personal experience. it looks difficult to control as the ski is up on edge. also the cutting stone looks suspect.

 

the unit you are talking about that uses a dremel tool looks like junk. it is advertised on ski racing online. and based on the video clip, i am guessing that you will be very disappointed with the end result. when you see either the TRIone or the Snowglide up close and then look at the lack of precision in a dremel tool, you will understand why i am concerned. the discs for the TRIone or the Snowglide cost more than 6 complete dremel tools. if you put the stone that they ship with that device on you edges, you will absolutely deserve the result that you get.

 

one word of caution to any of you considering these options is the danger to your health using these machines. they put off a very fine cloud of metal dust that can be breathed into your lungs. there has been a few WC techs that have experienced issues with this dust getting into their lungs. eye protection and a respirator is mandatory as well as some type of magnets on the tool or on the edge of your bench below your vice are needed to pull the dust out of the air.

 

just for the record the benefits of machines is speed and work reduction if you have many skis that need to be done in a short period of time. there are still many WC techs (especially in SG and DH) that still use hand files. for an individual masters racer, doing only your own skis, you will find that by the time you set up the machine, you could have touched up your skis with a file.

 

jim

post #6 of 20
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the responses.  I like the idea of a machine that takes very little of the edge.  I am not so fond of the price.  I wish the discman worked really well because it is quite a bit less expensive.

 

And Jim, I did order the inexpensive dremel edger.  Lets just say I returned it promptly.

post #7 of 20


 

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Originally Posted by primoz View Post

Trione is at the moment the most used device on WC. You can get it for around 1200-1300eur here, which, at least in my opinion, is "a bit" too much for home use. Almost every WC tech I was talking about this thing is telling, if they wouldn't get them from team/company and they would need to pay for it on their own, they would still be using normal files ;)

But otherwise it's really cool machine. It makes your work much much easier, and it's actually fun to do skis this way. But as I wrote... 1200eur for it is "a bit" expensive for my taste. ;)

 

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Originally Posted by starthaus View Post

 

just for the record the benefits of machines is speed and work reduction if you have many skis that need to be done in a short period of time. there are still many WC techs (especially in SG and DH) that still use hand files. for an individual masters racer, doing only your own skis, you will find that by the time you set up the machine, you could have touched up your skis with a file.

 

jim


Come on, you know you want it   you can justify it with your quiver  !  (heck, you could even do my quiver with it!)

post #8 of 20

Isn't it basically a router with a special stone beveling bit?  I saw some members of the US team using something that looked like that on a pre olympics show last year. 


Edited by crgildart - 10/11/10 at 1:36pm
post #9 of 20

The wintersteiger discman is great. It provides a super fine finish that makes your skis razor. It can be adjusted in half angles from 85 to 90. The good thing is that you don't have that large price tag on it. You can buy it in the uk for around £350 http://www.skiracing.co.uk

That around €410

post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by daskiboi View Post

The wintersteiger discman is great. It provides a super fine finish that makes your skis razor. It can be adjusted in half angles from 85 to 90. The good thing is that you don't have that large price tag on it. You can buy it in the uk for around £350 http://www.skiracing.co.uk

That around €410



I'd put more weight in this post if it wasn't your first.  Looks like spam to me.

 

I am kind of interested in that device, however.  Anyone have an real, unbiased info?

post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

Isn't it basically a router with a special stone beveling bit?  I saw some members of the US team usning something that looked like that on a pre olympics show last year. 


Yeah,  more of a trimmer router with a fence.  Though i don't know  the rpms.

Would think a concern with any unit would be shaft runout, the idea that

if the unit were running along an edge, then operator paused (for whatever reason)

would there be a "gouge".
 

post #12 of 20

Hello,

Jake Zamansky here.

Just wanted to throw it out there that I'm sell my TRI ONE edge machine. If you're interested in purchasing it please email me. Zamansky626@aol.com

Thanks,

Jake

post #13 of 20

jake

 

why you selling it? No longer racing? It's too bad you didnt make the olympic team.

post #14 of 20

I think he did make the team and raced in the GS!

post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by quant2325 View Post

I think he did make the team and raced in the GS!



Hah, maybe he's got other folks burning up their tools tuning his skis now.

post #16 of 20


 

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Originally Posted by John J View Post




Yeah,  more of a trimmer router with a fence.  Though i don't know  the rpms.

Would think a concern with any unit would be shaft runout, the idea that

if the unit were running along an edge, then operator paused (for whatever reason)

would there be a "gouge".
 


I've seen lots of furniture edges burnt by sloppy router work.  But, you can chunk your ski edge with a file too if you are careless.  Much easier and more devastating to screw up with a router though.  If the average Joe could do this with an average router there wouldn't be much of a market for the $2,000 variety.

post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by zman181 View Post

Hello,

Jake Zamansky here.

Just wanted to throw it out there that I'm sell my TRI ONE edge machine. If you're interested in purchasing it please email me. Zamansky626@aol.com

Thanks,

Jake


C'mon WTA, you know you want it!!  just what you  we need with this year's schedule, to keep team Rose on the podium

post #18 of 20

What are you talking about? I made the Olympics and raced in the GS. I decided to retire after that race and move on with my life. 

post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by zman181 View Post

What are you talking about? I made the Olympics and raced in the GS. I decided to retire after that race and move on with my life. 


Hah!  Don't worry about that uninformed comment.  We enjoyed watching you give it your best.  You did well.  Welcome to Epic and enjoy the fun and relaxing side of this great sport.

post #20 of 20

crgildart,

 

I agree.  Why piss off a guy who has his kind of knowledge on everything from training to tuning to arcing better turns?  Besides, anyone who raced on his own nickle after the team stopped supporting him, and clawed his way back to be an Olympian, is a good role model for all of us.

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