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Mogul Skiing Summit Mt. Hood SVMM meets Mogul Skiing .Net 8-15-10

Poll Results: What technique do you think is more mainstream for todays skiing SVMM or MSnet.

 
  • 100% (3)
    SVMM
  • 0% (0)
    MSnet.
3 Total Votes  
post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

The summit on moguls skiing has finished phase 1 of the summit, skiing the Zipper line on low angle runs. Please look at the video and see what technique that will work for more skiers getting to be better mogul skiers. We will still have phase 2 this winter skiing random natural moguls with the skiers skiing over the tops of the moguls and not skiing the rut or zipper.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zZUHmz1yAc

 

Would like an unbiased opinion on what technique is more to what skiing is about today not just mogul dogs thoughts. This was a fun event and if we could keep it that way would be nice.


Edited by cvj - 8/29/10 at 8:08am
post #2 of 12

Looked at the vid, but maybe I wasn't paying enough attention early on- who was doing what technique?  Thought Trevor looked the best of the 3 primaries and Bilodeau really ripped.

post #3 of 12
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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post

Looked at the vid, but maybe I wasn't paying enough attention early on- who was doing what technique?  Thought Trevor looked the best of the 3 primaries and Bilodeau really ripped.


Trevor skis SVMM and the guy in the black top is his coach.

post #4 of 12

I like the forward drive of the SVMM skiing.  It seems more applicable to wider variety of conditions.

JF

post #5 of 12

Was the guy in the black ripping bumps on Stockli GS skis?

post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by cstreu1026 View Post

Was the guy in the black ripping bumps on Stockli GS skis?


Yes they are the ladies version. 23 meter radius with more shape than the guy's version and a little more forgiving. Have always skied GS skis in moguls for more than 38 years. It all comes down to how the ski rebounds to make quick short radius turns. Another thing to think about is how the ski rides over the mogul when the skier hits the mogul the skis should not talk back to the skier, the skis should ride right over and not stand the skier up by the ski not riding over the bump smoothly.

post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by cvj View Post

 

 

Would like an unbiased opinion on what technique is more to what skiing is about today not just mogul dogs thoughts. This was a fun event and if we could keep it that way would be nice.



Nice rut bustin'. 

 

Technique oriented opinions probably belong in one of the training or general skiing forums though.  That said, skiing is so many different things to so many different people today I doubt anyone could honestly nail down any particular technique to define what skiing is about.  It's whatever is most fun for the individual and helps them best safely negitioate whatever terrain they are looking down.

post #8 of 12
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Nice rut bustin'. 

 

Technique oriented opinions probably belong in one of the training or general skiing forums though.  That said, skiing is so many different things to so many different people today I doubt anyone could honestly nail down any particular technique to define what skiing is about.  It's whatever is most fun for the individual and helps them best safely negitioate whatever terrain they are looking down.

Fun is what the trip was thanks to jeffy. This was a trip that was in the works for 3 to 4 years and only phase 1 skiing the rut and next skiing over the tops will be phase 2. Your statement that skiing means different things to different people is true but doesn't make anything that that crosses the fall line a true turn. This has been discussed in the mogul skiing world since the beggining of freestyle [1971] and no one can agree is the problem. If you teach skiing there is a formula. Rut bustin' as this is what bump skiing is today and we started at square 1. Yes a turn is a turn no matter how you got the skis to cross the fall line. Fun can be explained as getting better and that's how you keep kids interested is if they are progressing. When they stop progressing they tend to stop that activity. So sorry but skis are made with side cut and camber for a reason so they will turn. With downward pressure, skis on edge or tipped on there side the skis turn, and will take the natural arc of the turn depending on how much pressure is applied and how far on edge the skis were put on. Yes the skier can still wiggle, push the skis tail out to the side, or fall to impact something like a bump to turn the other direction. These are turns but are they the most efficient way to turn?
 


Edited by cvj - 9/2/10 at 8:42am
post #9 of 12

Ski camber and sidecuts are now vastly different and sometimes inverse.  I used to teach loved to debate what is optimal and mot efficient.  Now I include a pleasure utility function to the equation.  If you were here, wanted to go there, and did something to get to your destination you probably turned regardless of how smeared the tracks are.  Granted different approacheSSS are better than others for negotiating a field of VWs or 30+ degree sheet of ice.  As for what mogul technique is "best", "most efficient", "prettiest" or "most fun" I would recommend trying them all and taking lessons or ski camps from different teachers to fine the one individual unique variation that you like best.  That's right, there are as many different "techniques" as there are different mogul skiers and the lines they take.  Don't fall for paralysis from over analysis.

post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 

So what if the side cuts on skis are different or inverse. Why do they inverse the ski so to get the ski into reverse camber like a regular ski the skis still work the same. Fun and pleasure are different to different people. Fun can mean skiing a perfect rail road track or a sweet run down the steepest of runs that the skier has never skied that good before.

 

We have said that a turn is any time that the ski crosses the fall line. Slide, pivot, carve or push the tail of the skis to the side leaving the tip of the ski in same place.

 

As you say go take a ski lesson or go to a camp but remember that these coaches or instructors may not have as much knowledge as you so take what works for that skier and ignore what you know is not going to make that skier better. This has been a problem with our kids some guy thinks they know after watching that skier for 1 run how to fix what he is doing. During the ski season he may have been working on something totally different. That is why most of the ski teams do there own camps as to stay on task and not confuse the skiers. Have seen that when skiers trying to get better listen to to many different ways to ski and they stagnant or just don't seem to progress as fast.

post #11 of 12

quant2325 recently posted a link here to another version of the video in the first post of this thread. For convenience here's that video again...

 

 

3:40 into it they discuss the more aggressive, forward-reaching SVMM style.

 

Mainly I myself just wanted to post this vid, which I found looking for info on Mr. Cordeau...

 

 

Guess the west was pretty wild back in the day, eh?  ;-)

 

P.S. Is bumping the fountain of youth? Cordeau's kept his skiing ability and his hair, almost 30 years on! Impressive!

post #12 of 12

Dean the machine was skiing better until he blew out of his line.

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