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Volkl AC20 vs Volkl AC30

post #1 of 38
Thread Starter 

Hey Everyone,

 

I just signed up for this website about an hour ago in hopes of finding some expert advice on an upcoming ski purchase.  I've been doing some research on new skis all week and have narrowed down my search to the Volkl AC20 & Volkl AC30 (2010) models.  I am able to get the AC20's with Marker bindings for $450.00 shipped and the AC30's with Marker bindings for $600.00 shipped.  My budget is roughly $500.00 but is a little flexible if it means I'll be getting the best ski for my ability.  Now that I've told you what skis I'm torn between I'll tell you a little bit about myself.  I'm a 28 year old fairly athletic male.  I've been skiing for about 13 years now.  Learned how to ski in high school ski club, and skied on rentals for roughly 10 years.  About 3 years ago I purchased a pair of 99cm Line Weapon Ski Blades and have been using them since.  After the end of last season I decided that I want to go back to skis and try and advance my skill level.  I consider myself a type II-III skier, with a skill level of about 5-6 and am looking to improve.  The main reason I'm having a tough time deciding on which of these models to purchase is due in part to my skill level, but mainly due to my size.  I'm a pretty big guy, 6'5", 245lbs and am uncertain if the 177cm AC20's will be stable enough for me at moderately high speeds.  I'm also worried that the 184cm AC30's will be too "unforgiving" for me considering I'm coming from ski blades and will require a little bit of a "transition" period.  Basically I'm just trying to figure out if the extra $150.00 is worth it or not for a guy who skis the east coast, off and on piste about 5-10 times a year.  Thanks in advance for all your help.

 

Regards,

 

Dalton

post #2 of 38

Are you looking at different sizes in the two skis deliberately or because of what you're seeing available for sale? Between the two given size, the AC30s sound better to me. But if you're open to different skis altogether, you can get lots of suggestions here. Look at threads started by shadowfax, who is looking for skis to fill a similar purpose.

post #3 of 38
Thread Starter 

Hey Keith,

 

I was looking more towards Volkl because of their good reputation, and all the good things my friends have to say about them.  I guess mainly I'm just worried about buying a ski (AC30) which is too advanced and uncontrollable for me considering I'm coming back to skis from ski blades after so many years.

 

Dalton

post #4 of 38

I think the AC30 would be a good choice, they're stiff (which is good given your size) and they're designed for hardpack, crud and groomers (which is what you'll probably mostly encounter). But for every fan of one brand, there's a fan of another brand.

 

You could also consider Tigersharks, but they might cost a little more.

 

Goes without saying, but if you don't have good, well-fitted boots, I'd do that first. Good luck

post #5 of 38
Thread Starter 

Hey Keith,

 

Thanks for the input.  You don't think that the 184cm AC30's will be too advanced for an intermediate skill level fresh off of ski blades?  I bought new fitted boots last year, size 32 so I'm good to go there. =P

 

Dalton

post #6 of 38

Demo some decent carvers (~170cm) and take a private lesson. Then ask the instructor what length ski you should be on.  I would suspect at your level (5-6) that the AC30s are too much ski for you if you want to advance your skiing and the Ac20 might be too floppy.

post #7 of 38
Thread Starter 

I don't really have the ability to demo anything, as I was hoping to buy a set of last years skis to use this year. =/

post #8 of 38

If you ski parallel, the length shouldn't be problematic ... if you still use wedge to initiate turns, it might be. But in any case, you're a pretty big dude. I ski 170cm and I'm 5'7" 170. But yeah, it would be safest to demo. I don't think AC30s have changed lately, and it's a reasonably common ski for rental shops to demo.

post #9 of 38
If you're not sure you need the AC30 then save yourself $150 and get the AC20s. In a couple of seasons you may progress to the point that you're ready for a new pair and you can keep the old ones as rock skis.

By the way, I have the AC30 177cm, bought them on post-season clearance and have not yet skied them. Can't wait for ski season!
post #10 of 38

I have rented the AC30 about 20 times and love it, (I know I should of bought it by now, but I like trading them out for the gotama and mantra's at the shop).    THEY ROCK,  don't listen to anyone tell you that they are too advanced, ,  just get them you will love them.  I weigh about 185  I wear the 177's and so should you.  .   177 Dalton  no worries 

They did change the cut of the ski from 2009 to 2010, tad bit wider, I was bummed when I heard this but I rented them and couldn't tell at all. 

post #11 of 38

The AC20 is for the skier you are and the AC30 is for the skier you want to be. The AC30 is so much more ski than the AC20 and a much nicer one at that. Just out of curiosity, why just a Volkl? Why not a Blizzard 8.1 or Nordica Nitrous or Atomic Blackeye? All great skis too with slight bigger sweet spots than the AC30 without loosing the tenacious grip that the Volkl is noted for. 

post #12 of 38
Thread Starter 

Thanks for all the input guys.  I really appreciate it.  So the consensus here is to get save the $200 bucks and get the AC20's over the AC30's?  Even if they only come in 177cm vs 184cm?  Personally I think the AC20's will be far more than sufficient considering I'm coming from 99cm ski blades, but wasn't sure if I could handle the AC30's or not.  From what I've read they're a far more advanced ski than the AC20's.  Uggghhh, if only I was rich I'd just buy both! =P   I'm with you Jeff, I can't wait for ski season either.  I'm gonna really get into it hardcore this year! =)

post #13 of 38
Thread Starter 

Hey Phil,

 

Thanks for your input.  I guess I was leaning more towards Volkl because that's what my friends ski, and that's the only brand I'm accustomed to.  I'm open to alternatives, and will definitely check out those skis you mentioned.  Having rented for 10 years I never really got a feel for the different vendors.  I'm really just trying to find a nice set of skis and bindings for my ability within my $500.00 budget range.  I'm open to suggestions.

 

Dalton

post #14 of 38
Thread Starter 

Hey Keith,

 

Yes I ski parallel.  Haven't skied the wedge in over 10 years. =P

 

Dalton

post #15 of 38

Listen to Phil (somebody has to )

 

There's lots of better skis than the AC20/30, but, like Rolex and Bose, they get foisted on the unknowing by "conventional wisdom" when there's better stuff out there.

 

The Blizzard's, Nordica's and Atomics (maybe not so much the Atomics) are better, and I'd through the Dynastar 4800 in the mix too as a great fun intermediate ski.

 

Keep looking - you'll be glad you did.

post #16 of 38
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Originally Posted by Dalton Mangrum View Post

Hey Phil,

 

Thanks for your input.  I guess I was leaning more towards Volkl because that's what my friends ski, and that's the only brand I'm accustomed to.  I'm open to alternatives, and will definitely check out those skis you mentioned.  Having rented for 10 years I never really got a feel for the different vendors.  I'm really just trying to find a nice set of skis and bindings for my ability within my $500.00 budget range.  I'm open to suggestions.

 

Dalton


I/we can do a Nordica Hot Rod Fuel 124/78/110 in a 178 w. Binding for $389.00 shipped, if you wanted to go to the HR Pro Burner, 84 waisted version, $419.00 I like both of these skis much more than the AC20 or AC30. Just because these are less expensive doesn't mean they are cut rate skis, the HR Burner was my "Most underrated ski of 2010" Both deals leave you more than enough change from your $5-600 budget to become an Epic Supporter where you got this wealth of information and access to great deals. 

post #17 of 38

Dude, your 6.5 weigh 245 and you are only 28, the ac20 is a softer ski than the ac30.  Don't listen to all the bs hype about how this ski is only made for experts, that doesn't apply to you and your body size.   I have seen 135 pound ladies skiing on the AC30, NONE looked like experts to me!  GET THE 177 AC30  or the HRburner that phil mentioned .    AC20 is substandard for your size and age (I'm taking into consideration that you have several more years to get better and better since you are only 28).   DON"T GIVE IN!  

post #18 of 38

I agree - when Phil talks, I'd listen - but looking ONLY at the AC30 vs AC20, I'd get the AC30.

 

If your question is, would the AC20 be good enough ... yeah, probably. But the AC30 is in my opinion a better ski for you than the AC20. (There are probably other even better options.)

post #19 of 38

+1 on listening to Phil, and as a long-time Volklholic I can tell you you'll be just as happy on Blizzards or Nordicas.

I switched to Blizzards for on-piste skiing a couple of years ago and have never regretted it.

As far as AC30/AC20, I'd think you definitely want the AC30/equivalent.

I've a friend who's about half your size & weight and has NO problem at all skiing an AC30.

Always buy for the skier you want to be, as Phil put it. You'll save a lot of money!

post #20 of 38
Thread Starter 

Hey Phil,

 

Thanks for the input.  I'll check out those skis tonight and let you know.

 

~Dalton

post #21 of 38
Thread Starter 

Hey Phil,

 

Do you have any Blizzards that are comparable in Price and Performance as the AC20s and AC30s?  Anything in blue?

 

Thanks,

 

Dalton

post #22 of 38
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Originally Posted by Dalton Mangrum View Post

Hey Phil,

 

Do you have any Blizzards that are comparable in Price and Performance as the AC20s and AC30s?  Anything in blue?

 

Thanks,

 

Dalton

LOL, sorry, nothing in "blue" .

 

post #23 of 38

1. Ditto on listening to Phl.

 

2. Come to ESA Stowe and demo while you're there. Lots of good demos on and off mountain. My sig. other came to ESA 3 years ago after years of nothing but snowblading and it was a great transition for her. 

 

3. BTW, if you haven't been on modern skis for three years, and rented boots before then, you might want to upgrade your boots first.

post #24 of 38
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post




I/we can do a Nordica Hot Rod Fuel 124/78/110 in a 178 w. Binding for $389.00 shipped, if you wanted to go to the HR Pro Burner, 84 waisted version, $419.00 I like both of these skis much more than the AC20 or AC30. Just because these are less expensive doesn't mean they are cut rate skis, the HR Burner was my "Most underrated ski of 2010" Both deals leave you more than enough change from your $5-600 budget to become an Epic Supporter where you got this wealth of information and access to great deals. 

We struck oil here....stop drilling. 
 

post #25 of 38

I encourage that you go with the AC30 184's.  I demoed the skis last year and found them a great ride.  I am 6' 3" and weigh 220.  I am a level III skier and I ski the west only.  You may find that you will work just a bit to set the edge (unlike some of the more dramatically shaped skis on the market) but I found that once set the skis hold their edge very nicely and that the ski is stiff enough that you will feel little chatter or vibration from the skis up through your legs.  This equates to less fatigue and a longer ride.  This skis works best on the front side and for cruising.  Putting your ability aside, your size tells me that you should do well with the 184s.  Good luck and good skiing.  By the way, as soon as possible, give up east coast ice and go west.  It is the best.

post #26 of 38

Hopefully after 2 years from the last post he's made up his mind (and hopefully for something other than the AC20 or 30)

post #27 of 38

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post #28 of 38
Thread Starter 
Lol I'm back again after 5 years. I ended up getting the AC30s. smile.gif I finally moved out of New York and am now living in Denver. smile.gif No regrets there!!

Now I'm in the market for a pair of all mountain skis and am leaning towards Volkl Katanas. Either 184cm or 191cm.

Thoughts?

~Dalton
post #29 of 38

Do Katanas come in blue? :p

post #30 of 38
Krylon makes a spray can with blue paint in it...
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