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Atomic advice: snoop vs savage ti vs?

post #1 of 27
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me: lvl 9, 165lbs, 5'8" athletic

some racing background as opposed to cliff hucking, rail riding etc.

pref powder if it's there + normally find it long after it falls, otherwise I like to pretend I can still do race turns all day

favourite ski hills:  fernie, big white, whitewater

 

 

I skied on Atomic Crimson ti's 176 last season which I felt had a pretty big sweetspot - great in most conditions apart from steeper icey pitches where the tips would chatter like hell. A bit grabby in deeper powder, but nothing that I couldn't adjust to, fine in crud.  I liked the light and lively nature of these, but just wanted more ski at times.

 

So I sold them (maybe mistakenly so) and am looking for a replacement as part of a quiver - I have some Dynastar HT's for the storm days now + want something as a daily driver.

 

Am currently looking at the snoops (maybe in 186 for more ski) or the 2010 savage ti with the wood core / trad camber.  Also willing to hear other suggestions!

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Matt

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #2 of 27

I ran the Savage a lot last season, I many varied conditions. Good for everything you desire.

post #3 of 27
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I was starting to lean that way. Also looking at a coupe of Nordica models now such as Helldiver ti's or maybe even the enforcers.

Did you find much difference between the savage and the crimson, notably any lack of quickness or liveliness, added stability from wood core?
post #4 of 27

The characteristics that give you the light and lively feel are also the same ones that can make a ski a little fluttery on harder snow and in crud. If you get "more ski" then you will lose a measure of the things you like, in return for a measure of the things you want.

 

The Snoop is a soft snow biased ski and while fun, will not give you what you seek. The new 2011 Crimson is no longer a Beta ski and for my tastes has a very well balanced mix between nimble and burly. IMO, it's the best balance of characteristics among the Atomics.

 

The Nordica 'Cat/Diver are great skis and are more damp than either of the Atomics although a bit less nimble than the Crimson. There are also a whole gaggle of skis in the various 2011 collections within the 88-94mm spread that are great skis and would give you what you are looking for.

 

SJ

post #5 of 27

The every day skis in my quiver are the Dynastar Huge and a Sultan 85. I think they are a nice 1-2 combo. You could also look at the 94.

post #6 of 27
Thread Starter 
Of course you are right about finding the right balance of characteristics + although we are always searching for the perfect ski that does it all, it doesn't exist without compromise.

Given that you have a pretty good idea of what I am after, what would be on your shortlist for me?

I know the sultan's have been mentioned as an option (and I have always liked dynastars, coming from s9 skinnies amongst others). I waver from wanting a feontside ripper like a fischer wc rc4 rc to a ski like the enforcer. In the end i probably want something that has characteristics in common with both.

Are the new crimsons still good with the "adaptive camber" profile and am curious about what you think of ue savage ti's.
post #7 of 27

In that upper 80's category, imho the creme de la creme is the Kastle MX88. Truly a special ski. 

post #8 of 27
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I would love to have the mx 88's, but I do find them to be cost prohibitive.

What would be the poor man's kastle?
post #9 of 27
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Originally Posted by MATT_SKI View Post

I would love to have the mx 88's, but I do find them to be cost prohibitive.

What would be the poor man's kastle?

You only live once....to quote Joel Goodson from Risky Business..."Some times you just have to say, What the ****". Treat yourself, for once you you can say "I did" and not "I shoulda". In the whole scheme of things we are talking maybe a couple of hundred dollars more to have the best.  I have let to have someone ski the MX88 that didn't come back and say either "That is the best ski/one of the best I ever skied". 
 

post #10 of 27

Divide the cost by the days skied, then ask yourself if your would pay that much more to be on the best ski after spending $$$$ on lift ticks, plane tickets, hotel, etc.

post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by MATT_SKI View Post

Given that you have a pretty good idea of what I am after, what would be on your shortlist for me?
 


The list is actually pretty long b/c there are loads of fantastic skis in this width range particularly from the 2011 collections. Re: the Atomics, the Crimson feels as if it has about the right balance while the Savage feels cumbersome by comparison.

 

However.......................

 

I agree with Phil about the Kastle. It offers something that other skis cannot match and that is a blend of a smooth feel (superb dampening) very, very good grip (near the top of category) yet it does so in a ski that is very nimble and versatile due to a moderate overall flex and most of all surprisingly light weight. There are other skis in category that offer good grip and dampening yet are not particularly versatile due to planky flex and/or a lot of weight. The Kastle is worth it's price.

 

SJ

post #12 of 27
Thread Starter 
Consensus is building towards the kastle and going by what I have read pretty much anywhere, they sound as though they fit the bill. Let's see how we go with billings over the coming months.

In the meantime, what is in your opinion the poorer man's mx 88?
post #13 of 27
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In the meantime, what is in your opinion the poorer man's mx 88?


SJ and my consensus is the Kendo is the VW to the Kastles BMW. 

post #14 of 27
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I may be able to / have to live with a VW for now, which is not too bad all things considered. So long as I don't end up with the lexus, I think I'll be OK! 

 

Kendo's could be good in that sense - interesting since as I did consider the mantra at one point, but thought it too fat for it's stiffness.

Just wish I had the luxury of demo-ing everything, but my trips are limited to OS jaunts these days.

 

I wonder which Nordica's fit into this equation, as it seems you guys have some ripper deals on these...

 

post #15 of 27
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I wonder which Nordica's fit into this equation, as it seems you guys have some ripper deals on these...

 


The HR Pro at 84 underfoot and is a great ski at $279.00 

post #16 of 27
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At $279, the HR pro's seem like a great deal, but it's been suggested (in your PM) they won't be as strong as the Crimson ti's.... so it would be nice to be able to drive the ski a bit harder than the Atomics when it's called for, and any added versatility would be a bonus.

 

I guess that for those of us who used to free ski on 200cm slalom race skis, pretty much everything modern seems quite versatile!

post #17 of 27
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At $279, the HR pro's seem like a great deal, but it's been suggested (in your PM) they won't be as strong as the Crimson ti's.... so it would be nice to be able to drive the ski a bit harder than the Atomics when it's called for, and any added versatility would be a bonus.

 

I guess that for those of us who used to free ski on 200cm slalom race skis, pretty much everything modern seems quite versatile!


200cm slalom skis? I didn't realize you were a little guy, real men skied 203/4's or even 207 SL's. 

 

Not they are not as strong but still a very nice ski. Maybe a Blizzard 8.7? Thats may favorite of the high 80's system skis. 

post #18 of 27
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205 GS if that count!  + before you say 210 for GS it's the lower centre of gravity that counts! 

 

blizzi's an option too, but was trying to avoid hostage plate systems (even if they are "open source")

 

Do you know of anyone wanting to part with their 3 day old MX 88's?

 

post #19 of 27
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200cm slalom skis? I didn't realize you were a little guy, real men skied 203/4's or even 207 SL's. 

 

Not they are not as strong but still a very nice ski. Maybe a Blizzard 8.7? Thats may favorite of the high 80's system skis. 

I thought everyone  had 210's 

If I had a dime for every time I heard....
 

post #20 of 27
Thread Starter 

any sense in going for crimsons in 183?

post #21 of 27
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205 GS if that count!  + before you say 210 for GS it's the lower centre of gravity that counts! 

 

blizzi's an option too, but was trying to avoid hostage plate systems (even if they are "open source")

 

Do you know of anyone wanting to part with their 3 day old MX 88's?

 


You are 11 hours late for some used 88's. Sorry. How about some MX78's w/ KTi's in a 178? 

post #22 of 27
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arghh - just don't tell me they went for a bargain, but were  in top condition.....

could consider the mx 78's i guess  - what's the asking rate (you can PM me if more appropriate)

post #23 of 27
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arghh - just don't tell me they went for a bargain, but were  in top condition.....

could consider the mx 78's i guess  - what's the asking rate (you can PM me if more appropriate)


PM Finndog, they are his. FWIW, the MX78 with the KTi plate is a damn sweet set up. 

post #24 of 27
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do you guys even have metric back then? 

post #25 of 27
Thread Starter 

I will try to call you guys in the morning to work something out.

 

M

post #26 of 27

I have a pair of 186 cm  Savage-Ti's that I skied on last year.  Super easy to turn but with a great sidecut.  I was looking for an all mountain ski that I could carve on and this ski has done a good job.  It can get a little fluttery on super hard snow (blue ice) but if your favorite areas are out west, I would think these would be a great ski for carving the groomers and floating in the pow.  Good luck

post #27 of 27

I have the Prophet Flite for sale 179 with Marker Griffon 5 days on them $390. Goo din snow bad in ice. 

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