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post #31 of 59

On a sidenote, it's great to see the Head/Hart rivalry making a comeback.  I wasn't born yet the first time it happened.

post #32 of 59
Thread Starter 

Are the head titans compareble to the pulse?

post #33 of 59
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Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post

Are the head titans compareble to the pulse?


Personally I didn't like the Titan at all but frankly few Head skis have ever wow'ed me. Not that they are bad, just not for me. Just out of curiosity...what size ski are you looking at? 

post #34 of 59
Thread Starter 

how can you tell the width of the pulse at it's waist? Is it the side cut? The sidecut: 124-77-110, The length: 170, and the radius: 14.5

Also I've been taking a look at the vist bindings and I think I'm going to go with the stockn10 pro plate depending upon the width of my pulse and the V412TITANLI07. What are your thoughts?

 

post #35 of 59
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how can you tell the width of the pulse at it's waist? Is it the side cut? The sidecut: 124-77-110, The length: 170, and the radius: 14.5

Also I've been taking a look at the vist bindings and I think I'm going to go with the stockn10 pro plate depending upon the width of my pulse and the V412TITANLI07. What are your thoughts?

 


The 77 = Waist Width.  124 = Tip.  110 = Tail.

 

I was looking at Vist bindings myself recently.  From what I saw...Vist only honors the warranty if it's installed by a authorized Vist dealer, to which there are not very many.   On the other hand, if you buy Vist, you're indirectly helping a partner company to Hart, which helps everyone.
 

post #36 of 59
Thread Starter 

Would the plate i have chosen fit my specified ski? I think the plate will fit but just in need of another opinion. Also if there are other brands of bindings that you think would work a little better than vist please let me know.

post #37 of 59

How did your search lead you to Hart and Vist anyway?  You don't sound like a super avid skier just yet, and both of those companies are hard to discover.  You have to really be looking.  Just curious how you discovered them?

post #38 of 59
Thread Starter 

Well I just heard about the vist company with this discussion. To tell you the truth I had never heard of them but after looking them up they have really impressed me, and I think they are great. The Hart skis however I've known about for awhile.I used to live in the midwest region where one of there shops is located(I think). Also one of my friends owns a pair of older model hart skis and says he loves them. What also got my attention was the 2010 winter olympics. After watching some mogul skiers I saw that they were using hart and that kind of got me thinking about buying a new pair of hart skis since in the future I would like to learn how to ski moguls.

post #39 of 59

Interesting.  I thought Hart was totally going the wrong direction with sponsoring mogul skiers during their comeback.  I didn't think anybody paid attention to Moguls anymore since the entire market seems to have shifted to Powder/Backcountry/Freestyle(park/pipe) skiing.  Shows how much I know. 

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I actually designed the Pulse graphics


Cardiologist? Or just punny? [ H(e)art -> Pulse ]  Waiting for an animated graphic like that that connects to your HRM and responds accordingly.

post #41 of 59

Hart's Desire

Hart Beat

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post #42 of 59
Thread Starter 

What are some ohter good bindings that would fit the pulse and act great?

post #43 of 59

I like Tyrolia myself.  Find one that has your DIN range and pretty colors to match the Pulse.  I think the 08/09 Tyrolia Peak 12 was Green and Black.  Of course with Vist you can get lots of different colors.

post #44 of 59

I put Vist speedlocks on my Hart Beats and Rossi FKS' on my F17's

post #45 of 59
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Originally Posted by FujativeOCR View Post

I like Tyrolia myself.  Find one that has your DIN range and pretty colors to match the Pulse.  I think the 08/09 Tyrolia Peak 12 was Green and Black.  Of course with Vist you can get lots of different colors.


I think we might have some green/black Elan (Tyrolia) bindings. 

post #46 of 59

Hadn't seen this thread till now, so weighing in very late.  I, too, have been a convert to Hart for my Eastern hardpack ski.  I skied the Hart Phoenix last year and absolutely loved it!  I did a lot of demos of excellent skis (including Progressor 8+ and Supershape Magnum) and the Phoenix won me over.  IMO, it is just significantly more fun to ski!  I must admit, I did not buy the Pulse, but went with the Kastle MX78 (Thanks Philpug!) for my 77-78 waist ski.  I did, however, run into a few folks on the Pulse who swore by it.  My guess is that you would have a bit more fun on the Pulse and it might be a bit less demanding than the Kastle.

 

I have had some e-mail exchanges with the folks at Hart to help out on a few matters and have found them to be very helpful and responsive.  Unfortunately, IMO, they have not done much of a job on the distribution side of things, so finding someone who carries the skis is sometimes a problem.   If they can get the distribution side of things in order, it's really a heckuva ski and it would be nice to see them succeed.

post #47 of 59
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I have had some e-mail exchanges with the folks at Hart to help out on a few matters and have found them to be very helpful and responsive.  Unfortunately, IMO, they have not done much of a job on the distribution side of things, so finding someone who carries the skis is sometimes a problem.   If they can get the distribution side of things in order, it's really a heckuva ski and it would be nice to see them succeed.


SkierShop used to carry them, not sure if they still do, and Start Haus carries them now.

post #48 of 59

What hasn't been mentioned here is Hart's future. Hart will be relocating their headquarters and eventually production to Ogden Utah. 

 

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/50087396-79/hart-ogden-skis-ski.html.csp

post #49 of 59
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I think we might have some green/black Elan (Tyrolia) bindings. 



I thought those were exclusively sold with Elan skis?  Didn't know they were available by themselves..

post #50 of 59

I work part time at a shop that carries Hart skis-I've spent a fair amount of time on both the Phoenix and the Pulse (both using Vist Speedlock bindings-which, as others have said, just plain fantastic), and one of my kids is skiing on the Hornet.

 

 

The Pulse is one of the easiest skiing high performance skis on the market.  It carves well, but is a little softer than some of the more macho 77-78 skis (like last years Head, etc).   It's a fine bump ski, and east coast all-arounder.  we sell them for mid 600's (w/o binding), so while not cheap, there not exactly boutique either (compared to the VIST skis which are exactly the same ski-but double the price)-the speedlock add a chunk more-but any binding will do. 

 

I patrol as well, and a number of the older-but stronger skiers love the pulse and use it as their everyday ski.

 

The Phoenix is a wonderful ski-and for an aggressive skiers (who can work the edges in most situations) it's far more fun the the Pulse-more challenging, but more fun too.  It's a pretty east Coast ski-it compares favorable to skis like the Dynastat 4x4, Dynastar Course, Fischer Progressor series, Elan Speed waves (another fun ski).  Yeah, the waist is narrow, but they hang with the mid 70's waisted skis in terms of crudbusting and off-piste handling.   They are not the best choice for an aspiring intermediate-but for folks with good edging skills, they are amazingly versatile and stable.

 

Like someone else said, there are lots of good skis from good companies out there to choose from, so getting stuck on any one brand doesn't really pay dividends-but FWIW, these are excellent high end skis that you'd probably love.

 

Ski construction for either is on par with the best smaller brands.

post #51 of 59


 

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Originally Posted by Liam View Post

I work part time at a shop that carries Hart skis-I've spent a fair amount of time on both the Phoenix and the Pulse (both using Vist Speedlock bindings-which, as others have said, just plain fantastic), and one of my kids is skiing on the Hornet.

 

 

The Pulse is one of the easiest skiing high performance skis on the market.  It carves well, but is a little softer than some of the more macho 77-78 skis (like last years Head, etc).   It's a fine bump ski, and east coast all-arounder.  we sell them for mid 600's (w/o binding), so while not cheap, there not exactly boutique either (compared to the VIST skis which are exactly the same ski-but double the price)-the speedlock add a chunk more-but any binding will do. 

 

I patrol as well, and a number of the older-but stronger skiers love the pulse and use it as their everyday ski.

 

The Phoenix is a wonderful ski-and for an aggressive skiers (who can work the edges in most situations) it's far more fun the the Pulse-more challenging, but more fun too.  It's a pretty east Coast ski-it compares favorable to skis like the Dynastat 4x4, Dynastar Course, Fischer Progressor series, Elan Speed waves (another fun ski).  Yeah, the waist is narrow, but they hang with the mid 70's waisted skis in terms of crudbusting and off-piste handling.   They are not the best choice for an aspiring intermediate-but for folks with good edging skills, they are amazingly versatile and stable.

 

Like someone else said, there are lots of good skis from good companies out there to choose from, so getting stuck on any one brand doesn't really pay dividends-but FWIW, these are excellent high end skis that you'd probably love.

 

Ski construction for either is on par with the best smaller brands.


Liam, your review of the Pulse and Phoenix have provided me with great pre-season stoke. I spent some high quality time last season on a pair of VIST DEMO's with Speedlock plates. What a ride! I have never been on a more solid high performance ski. In 174cm,  they made my daily driver Blizzard Supersonics in 167cm positively squirrly. In my more than 45 years on skis, I never truly experienced the "skiing on rails" sensation until I was on the VIST's. By the way, they "make"you ski faster.

 

So I set out to find a pair. Only new ones available were in the range of $1500. With very limited distribution in North America, the buyer has little leverage or options.While I have to say that the quality of the ride was arguably worth the price of admission, I do not want ot own a pair of skis that expensive. That is an investment, not a purchase. After some investigation, I discovered information, as you say, that the high end Harts are made in the same factory in Italy as the VIST's, and Blossoms and Spoilt's, all top end European "boutique" skis.  So I set my sights on a pair of the Phoenix's which have the very same dimensions as the classic VIST carve cut - 116-66-101. Because I was able to get a special deal, I picked up a pair of the Pulses as well. They have the same dimensions as one of the VIST Frontside models, if I remember right. Philpug sold me two VIST TT plates a pair of VIST 614 bindings. I have a feeling that the VIST binding/plate combination adds no small amount of magic to the skis. For those not familiar, the Speedlock system allows instantaneous mounting and removal of bindings from the plate with the flip of a mechanical arm or tab. So all you need is one set of bindings for all your skis with VIST plates. And the plates also allow you to move the bindings up and down the ski to perfectly fine tune the binding/ski balance.

 

And then, even before I got to give either Harts a test drive, I crashed on Valentine's Day. A dislocated shoulder with supraspinatus tear put me on the bench for the rest of the season. Three weeks ago a buddy and I mounted the VIST plates on to the Harts. Very interesting experience. The drill went right slick into the Pulses. No metal in that one. Totally different story with the Phoenix. It took a fair amount of "persuasion" to drill through that stout top sheet. Bottom line is that these are beautifully made skis. And for less than one pair of VIST's I got two pairs of Harts, two sets of VIST plates and one set of bindings. Word is that Hart is moving to Utah and may produce skis there. Nice to see. But I hope they can preserve the very special qualities of their Italian made cousins. I plan to file reviews of the Harts once snow flies.

David

post #52 of 59

  To all the Liam said above.

 

During the winter I skied the Pulse ( 08-09 ), someone was posting here about his experiences with the Pulse. I forget his name, but he was a newer skier, from Michigan ?, who bought them on their reputation. As he posted about his on-snow experience, clearly, they were more ski than he could tame. Sure, that's just one story, but, my point is the Pulse skis are designed to be brought to life by skilled skiers. I sold mine to Helluva Skier who skies a helluva lot better and faster than 99.9% of the general public. He gave them a great writeup as a performance ski. To some extent, I sold them because at the speeds and linked turns I ski, there were better suited skis,  I had a 180, and, have often thought  I'd love to ski them again or perhaps a shorter length, but not a my daily driver.

 

So, my open question: Does it make sense for a intermediate skier, like Shadowfax, to buy a premium high performance ski? The option of buying a pre 10-11Supershape Magnum and spending a couple of seasons learning how to carve makes a lot of sense, especially if he is in the east. As they are now out of production at Head, good deals should abound with Head bindings attached.

 

I would also ask Shadowfax to disclose a lot more about where, how much and what style of skiing excites him. Bottom line, is he needs to match his specific wants to the ski he chooses to purchase.

 

post #53 of 59

My first pair of brand new skis was a pair of hart Gremlins.  They were soooooo sweeeeeet  I tried Dynastars next but the season after that I scored a brand new pair of hart Freestyles.   I really enjoyed having those.  I've currently got a mid 90s pair of F-17s.   I took them out for a couple hours and actually finished the season on them last year.  I'd really like to have a new pair of harts like the Javelins or The Boss (did they actually make those and do they stil?).

 

If money were no object I would definately have a pair of recent model harts out back.

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  To all the Liam said above.

 

  As he posted about his on-snow experience, clearly, they were more ski than he could tame.

 

So, my open question: Does it make sense for a intermediate skier, like Shadowfax, to buy a premium high performance ski? The option of buying a pre 10-11Supershape Magnum and spending a couple of seasons learning how to carve makes a lot of sense, especially if he is in the east. As they are now out of production at Head, good deals should abound with Head bindings attached.

 

 


Pulse could be a great choice for a strong intermediate skier who is serious about getting better.   It's not a bump ski, but it would be better than most "similar" skis.

 

It would be good to have a better description of OP's skiing ability.
 


Edited by Paul Jones - 8/28/10 at 9:43am
post #55 of 59
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Originally Posted by Living Proof View Post

So, my open question: Does it make sense for a intermediate skier, like Shadowfax, to buy a premium high performance ski? The option of buying a pre 10-11Supershape Magnum and spending a couple of seasons learning how to carve makes a lot of sense, especially if he is in the east. As they are now out of production at Head, good deals should abound with Head bindings attached.

 


In my experience, the Pulse is an easier (and better) ski tan the SS Magnum.

post #56 of 59
Thread Starter 

The only thing that is keeping me from getting them is the price. I am just wondering if the hart skis for an intermediate skiier is worth it.

post #57 of 59
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Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post

The only thing that is keeping me from getting them is the price. I am just wondering if the hart skis for an intermediate skiier is worth it.



I feel ya.  Back when I bought harts they had similar pricepointing and distributioln to what K2 offers today, something for just about everyone except the top top top of the line.  Now they are pretty much the opposite of that.

post #58 of 59

Try the ForRunner at Killington.  Last I locked they had a pair of Pulse.

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I feel ya.  Back when I bought harts they had similar pricepointing and distributioln to what K2 offers today, something for just about everyone except the top top top of the line.  Now they are pretty much the opposite of that.

 

That's a good thing though.  They should cater to the people that will appreciate the effort, rather than those who won't know the difference.  Plus I would think to be successful again, they have to reestablish themselves as a quality brand, and prove it.  Coming back with intermediate skis wouldn't do it.  They need to win people back.

 

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