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post #1 of 59
Thread Starter 

I am looking to purchase a new set of All-Mountain skis. As I was researching some different brands, hart skis came up. I'm an intermediate skier and I was just wondering what you thought on this brand of skis. Before I've always used Atomics but Hart struck my interest. I am open to any answers. Thanks for the help.

post #2 of 59

What specifically struck your interest about Hart skis?

 

SJ

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post #3 of 59
Thread Starter 

Well from many reviews I've many people say that their all mountain skis are very good. They said that they carve nice and can go form hard snow to powder. One of there skis that has gotten my attention is there all-mountain Pulse. It specifactions are Length: 170 Sidecut: 124-77-110 Radius: 14.5. Also one of my friends has a pair and he says he loves them, but he is more experienced skier than me. 

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I have 2 different sets of them.  I skied the Barhopper all last year.  I loved them some days and hated them others.  It seems that if it was skied out crud, or sticky slush, they were an absolute handful.  I remember skiing them at Kirkwood in January on a day like that, and I was about ready to throw them halfway through the day.  I went back to the car and switched to Public Enemies.  On the other hand, they absolutely shredded on powder days.  They float just like they were designed to, and so easy to turn.  They don't use reverse camber or rocker or anything, they are just really soft with very little normal camber.  On Hardpack I had to learn how to ski them.  Once I got used to them, I could rip around as fast as anything else on hardpack (save for race skis I imagine).  They also got countless comments in the liftlines, mostly on the graphics, and occasionally a "Hart?  I used to have those...didn't know they were still around!"  That was always fun.  The Barhopper is built in a factory in China alongside some Liberty skis from what I understand.

 

I also have a brand new set of Javelin GS skis.  This one is an entirely different animal than the BarHopper.  I haven't skied it yet, but just looking at them side to side, the build quality is on a way higher level.  They are built by some ex-world cupper in Italy.  I forget the guys name, but he's good.  Same skis as Vist/Blossom in Europe.  The top sheet has this interesting ribbed texture to it that I like.  Haven't seen it on any other skis, it's unique.  Can't find any imperfections on them at all.  The Barhoppers I could see some variances from one ski to the other, and  I swear one was softer than the other.  Not so with the Javelin.  Other skis in the Hart line built in the same Italian factory are Pulse, Phoenix, F17, Javelins and Phi-Nominal.  It should be noted also, that the picture on Harts website don't do them justice.  The Javelin DOES NOT have a pointy tip as it appears to in the picture.  It's actually nice and rounded like every other race ski out there.

 

I think the remainder of the Hart skis like the One and Attack are built in the USA.  Colorado I believe, but don't quote me on that.

 

Here's a pic with the the Barhopper and Javelin

 

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And a closeup of the Javelin...alongside my newest edition...the Kneissl Fly Star.  You might look at Kneissl too if you're looking for that exclusivity factor, or like Hart and Kastle, want to help a storied brand make a comeback.

 

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post #5 of 59
Thread Starter 

Does it take time to get used to skiing with Harts?

post #6 of 59

There is a lot of connections to Hart here on Epic. I actually designed the Pulse graphics and Bob Barnes designed the Javelins that OCR has. The builder at Blossom is Luciano Pannatti. 

post #7 of 59

I have no strong opinion of Hart skis except that I see people post favorably about them here. I've never skied on Harts.

 

But generally speaking, all brands have good skis. They have somewhat different characteristics that result in people having different personal preferences. For example, Volkl makes stiff skis, K2 is a generally a lot less stiff. Some people like stiff and some people don't.

 

If I'm understanding your goals, I think the approach I'd take is to identify the type of skis you are interested in (my interpretation is, narrow to mid all-mountain skis, mostly about carving but with some ability on powder in a pinch) and a few respected models (I'll throw out Tigersharks, Fischer Progressor 8+ and the skis I just bought, Head SuperShape Magnums) and then look at reviews of them to see what skis they get compared to. Then see what skis those are compared to.

 

There are a lot of great reviews on this site once you have a list of skis you're interested in.

post #8 of 59

That's hard to answer.  I think any skis takes some getting used to to some degree.  With the BarHoppers, I'd have to say yes, they took getting used to, however it was my fattest ski to date, and it's also really soft.  But that one ski can't be representative of the entire brand, since they have skis being built in different factories in different corners of the world.  The Italian Race ski is going to ski just like that, a race ski, which is nothing like the BarHopper.  The skis built in the USA, are probably some whole new breed, that ski like neither the Barhopper or Italian skis.  I can say by the end of the winter,that I loved the Barhoppers, enough that I bought another pair (knowing however, that it was built in Italy, and basically like having a different brand of ski).  The Javelins, I can look at them leaning on the wall on the other side of the room, and know without having ever skied them, that they are going to be very good at what they are designed to do...go fast.

 

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Does it take time to get used to skiing with Harts?

post #9 of 59
Thread Starter 

Here is another question on Brands of skis. After researching some different makes and models the Head Super Shaped Magnum stood out as one of the best to me. My personal preferance is a good all mountain ski mostly for carving but with a little powder action. Both the Hart Pulse and the Head Magnum to comply with that.(even though it is for racing) I am 69 inches and weigh 140 lbs. What ski would perform the best for my prefernce? I know there are many more skis out there and if you feel there is a better ski please tell me. thanks

post #10 of 59

Shadowfax,

Neither the Head Supershape Magnum (and there are several different models of the Supershape) nor the Hart Pulse are racing skis. By today’s standards, many will argue that both have too narrow a waist to be called “all mountain” and they fall into the realm of carving skis which will at-home in east coast hard snow conditons.

The Head Supershapes have waists less than 70mm and make linked, short radius carved turns in harder snow very well. Classic carvers! Not real comfortable to ski all day as those turns are physically demanding, not real stable at higher speeds. While they are not powder skis in any sense, if the snow is less than your boot height, they will do it, just not very well. I ski the basic Head Supershape as my daily east coast ski. At your weight a 160 or 165 should work.

I skied the Hart Pulse for a season. With a 77mm waist, it is more of a carving/cruising ski if you like to ski at speed. It’s turn radius is longer and is much more comfortable on an all day basis. Great grip on ice and would be better in powder and soft snow than the Head. A 170 would be fine for you.

Both great skis, just different.

post #11 of 59

You might want to look at the Blizzard 7.6 ski which is a great carver and for a fairly narrow ski is good in off piste skiing also . Good luck .

post #12 of 59
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You might want to look at the Blizzard 7.6 ski which is a great carver and for a fairly narrow ski is good in off piste skiing also . Good luck .


I LIKE the 7.6, and while it might look like the same ski on paper, it does not have near the quality nor refinement as the Pulse. The Pulse comes out of one of the best three or four factories in the world. 

post #13 of 59
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I LIKE the 7.6, and while it might look like the same ski on paper, it does not have near the quality nor refinement as the Pulse. The Pulse comes out of one of the best three or four factories in the world. 


What are the other 3?
 

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What are the other 3?
 


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post #16 of 59

A word of caution.  The Head Supershape Magnum for the upcoming season is a changed ski.  With the addition of KERS technology, the tail will ski stiffer than with previous years' models. 

 

This means that if you get caught in the back seat you may be in for a surprise.  The OP characterized himself as an intermediate which covers a huge range of abilities.  If he is confident in his fore-aft balance, this could be a great ski.  If he's still developing reliable fore-aft balance, then the 2010-2011 Magnum could be too much ski.  The new ski gives higher performance and requires correspondingly higher skill levels. 

 

Peter Keelty's gear review website has just posted its reviews for this season's skis including the Supershape Magnum.  It's worth taking a look if you're considering this ski.  He doesn't have any Hart reviews published at the moment and likely won't have them.  (last year he had too few reviewers for Hart to publish results.)

post #17 of 59
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Shadowfax,

The Head Supershapes have waists less than 70mm


Minor point, the Magnum is 71mm

 

And I'd say it would be good for groomers anywhere including out west, not just hardpack, although they wouldn't be my choice for a powder day. He mentioned in the other thread that he is interested in carving.

 

I'd recommend spending time reading reviews (especially here - reviews in ski magazines tend to make every ski sound great at everything) and ponder how you want to use the skis.

post #18 of 59
Thread Starter 

Here are some other brands i've been reviewing for good carving and a little powder. The Atomic Smokt Its and the Hart Pheonix's. What are your thoughts.

post #19 of 59

I'd do the Pulse before the Phoenix.  Phoenix is too skinny.

 

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Here are some other brands i've been reviewing for good carving and a little powder. The Atomic Smokt Its and the Hart Pheonix's. What are your thoughts.

post #20 of 59

Well since other's are commenting without skiing, I'll do likewise.

If I were to gamble based solely on reviews, my choice of all-mountain all-purpose ski would be Kästle RX12 for the East, and Kästle FX94 for the west.

post #21 of 59
Thread Starter 

What is your thought on the kastle fx94? Also take a look at the atomics I spoke about earlier. How d these Compare to the Hart Pulse. Also as I am an Intermediate skier and still have my wrecks (once and a While) would it be worth it to spend this amount of money on these brands of skis when I could get a cheaper pair and wait to buy a good pair?

post #22 of 59
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Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post

Well from many reviews I've many people say that their all mountain skis are very good. They said that they carve nice and can go form hard snow to powder. One of there skis that has gotten my attention is there all-mountain Pulse. It specifactions are Length: 170 Sidecut: 124-77-110 Radius: 14.5. Also one of my friends has a pair and he says he loves them, but he is more experienced skier than me. 



I have not skied the Head Supershape, but I have skied and own the Pulse(Beat).  I really can't say anything wrong about the Pulse as a great all mountain ski.  It was the ski I chose to commit to while I was trying to improve and its the ski that I nearly lived on during the first part of winter last year until I loaned it to a friend and couldn't get it back.

 

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I LIKE the 7.6, and while it might look like the same ski on paper, it does not have near the quality nor refinement as the Pulse.


I agree with this.  The Blizzsrd 7.6 is a fine ski but IMHO the Pulse is more nimble and playful.

 

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Well since other's are commenting without skiing, I'll do likewise.

If I were to gamble based solely on reviews, my choice of all-mountain all-purpose ski would be Kästle RX12 for the East, and Kästle FX94 for the west.

Kästle has mosdef  wowed me!

post #23 of 59

MX78 w/ KTi plate...droool IMHO the class of that upper 70's waisted front side skis. 

post #24 of 59
Thread Starter 

Was the Pulse well worth the money?

post #25 of 59

I'm in love with the MX78, but for the OP, I think maybe the Hart is easier for an intermediate. It's a good bit softer, but like the Kastle, it doesn't give up when you push it. The LX82 might be worth a look too.

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I'm in love with the MX78, but for the OP, I think maybe the Hart is easier for an intermediate. It's a good bit softer, but like the Kastle, it doesn't give up when you push it. The LX82 might be worth a look too.


Good call on the LX82. a bit friendlier Kastle w/o loosing the heritage. Getting back to the OP, the Pulse is a damn fine ski and a super high quality one at that. Is it worth the $$? To some yes to some no. Question, are you the type of guy who buys based on quality or solely on price. If it is the former, they are worth it. Oh, as far as bindings Vist Speedlocks (ideally the Race) are the binding of choice for them. 

post #27 of 59
Thread Starter 

Also could the Pulse ski moguls? I don't know how to ski moguls yet but in the distant future I plan to. What's your thoughts?

One more thing. How much do the Vist Speedlocks Run?


Edited by Shadowfax - 8/24/10 at 6:43pm
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Well since other's are commenting without skiing, I'll do likewise.

If I were to gamble based solely on reviews, my choice of all-mountain all-purpose ski would be Kästle RX12 for the East, and Kästle FX94 for the west.


Trekchick said she skied the Pulse (Beat) and I've skied the BarHopper.


 

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Also could the Pulse ski moguls? I don't know how to ski moguls yet but in the distant future I plan to. What's your thoughts?

One more thing. How much do the Vist Speedlocks Run?



Moguls are what Hart does best!

post #29 of 59

And don't forget to look at Kneissl in this mix of lux brands.  Costly but most excellent.  And unlike Kastle and Hart, they never stopped making skis.

post #30 of 59

If we can double back to the topic of Head Supershapes, I've just spent a week skiing with a pair of friends who were on the new Head Supershape Titan and loved them.  At 78mm in the waist the Titan would be a better all mountain Supershape than the Magnum.  Is it a forgiving ski for an early intermediate?  No.  But for an upper intermediate skier they'd be worth considering alongside the other skis being mentioned.

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