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Watea 101, Watea 114, Rossignol SC 97 or something else for Squaw powder days?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

Hey guys:

 

I'm a 170 pound male level 8 skier looking to add a pair of skis for this season.  This year I'll be skiing at Squaw in the Tahoe area.  Last year I posted this:

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/89304/watea-84-or-dynastar-mythic-rider-for-tahoe-1-ski-quiver

 

Currently, I only own Dynastar Mythic Riders 172 cm, which I had a great season on last year.  They truly seem to be able to handle everything on the mountain, and I had great times last year on the backside at Alpine, the trees at Homewood, and they even carved on the groomed stuff pretty well.  I thought they were decent at carving, heavy enough to get through crud, stable at high speeds, and they had a good amount of rebound and liveliness that made quick snappy-skiing and bumps fun.

 

The only place I felt they weren't quite enough was seriously deep powder.  They definitely weren't bad, but clearly an 85 mm ski can't quite compare to fatter skis in deep powder.  A little more float in 18+ in. of snow would have been nice (and we certainly had a good number of those days last season), as I felt I had to exert a decent amount of control to keep my tips from sinking.

 

Anyway, I'm looking to pick up cheap 2010 demo powder skis for the coming season.  I've found Watea 101 182 cm, Watea 114 176 cm, and Rossignol SC 97 170 cm in good-excellent condition with bindings for ~$400 each.

 

Are these guys fat enough or different enough to justify adding to the collection with the Mythic Riders?  Which of these skis do people prefer for deeper days?  What else should I look at that can be found cheaply in the offseason?  If not strictly for powder, are any of these good additions to a two-ski quiver?

 

Thank!

Dan

post #2 of 21

I am not a fan of demo bindings-heavy and often prone to slop IME.

 

I would look at the Fatypus Alotta.  All of the skis you mentioned had a traditional shape and these fit in.

post #3 of 21

How about some K2 PBR's? They are 179 Maiden AK's with 10/20 rocker mounted with Jesters? 

post #4 of 21
Thread Starter 

The bindings on the Wateas are Dynastar PX12, which is the same binding I have on my current pair.  On the Rossignols the bindings are Rossignol Axium 120.  I'm not familiar with that model but I don't think its a strictly "demo" binding.  Would that change people's opinion on those skis?

 

I'll take a look around and see if I can find some low prices on what you guy's mentioned...

 

Thanks!  Please keep the feedback rolling if you have time.

post #5 of 21
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........................but I don't think its a strictly "demo" binding.  Would that change people's opinion on those skis?........................

 


For me it would not. I have a PX 12 Demo bind on my Rossi S7 and on my old Volkl Mantras. I also ski about 50 different skis each year with demo bindings on them........no issues to me at all. (especially with a LOOK as they have great retention for a demo binding)

 

BTW...."slop" on a demo binding usually refers to Marker demo bindings not Looks and besides, when the boot is in the binding, any existing slop is taken up.

 

Beside, besides....slop in the binding on a powder ski???....good lord....don't overthink it!!!

 

SJ

post #6 of 21

IMO you only listed one powder ski option, and it's a good one: the Watea 114. I almost bought it and went Dynastar 115 instead, but the Watea 114 would be a great choice. If you can ride the Mythics as a daily ski, some light fresh and crud, the addition of a 114 to 120 would be perfect.

post #7 of 21

Have we got a deal for you.....

 

 

Fischer Watea 114 176 w/ Fischer X14 binding for....

 

 

wait for it...

 

 

 

 

wait for it....

 

 

 

$449.00!

 

This is a NEW ski, not a demo. 

post #8 of 21
Thread Starter 

Great, thanks for the feedback guys.  I am definitely leaning towards a deal on Watea 114 at this point.

post #9 of 21

replied to your PM. call tomorrow. Skis are set aside for you. 

post #10 of 21

Phil:  Just sent you an important p m regarding shipping on the bindings.    Just a word to all Epic members...Phil's first rate to do business with. 

post #11 of 21
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Phil:  Just sent you an important p m regarding shipping on the bindings.    Just a word to all Epic members...Phil's first rate to do business with. 


Awe shucks.

post #12 of 21


 

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post




For me it would not. I have a PX 12 Demo bind on my Rossi S7 and on my old Volkl Mantras. I also ski about 50 different skis each year with demo bindings on them........no issues to me at all. (especially with a LOOK as they have great retention for a demo binding)

 

BTW...."slop" on a demo binding usually refers to Marker demo bindings not Looks and besides, when the boot is in the binding, any existing slop is taken up.

 

Beside, besides....slop in the binding on a powder ski???....good lord....don't overthink it!!!

 

 

SJ thank you for correcting me.  My only experience with demo bindings was a pair of Markers which were used because the volkl race plate had them hostage.  These were not powder skis.  They did have noticable slop and I transfered that impression to all demo bindings and I have thus had a prejudice against them.

 

 

ski314 that is a great deal you got.  Way to go Phil!

post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Have we got a deal for you.....

 

 

Fischer Watea 114 176 w/ Fischer X14 binding for....

 

 

wait for it...

 

 

 

 

wait for it....

 

 

 

$449.00!

 

This is a NEW ski, not a demo. 



this is a smokin' hot deal. I've tracked those skis for a while and never saw anything close to $350. It's a ski in demand in Tahoe.

post #14 of 21

I have always liked Fischer's, but they seem like under appreciated brand. The good part is they can be had for a lot less than other brand's.

post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by JHoback View Post

I have always liked Fischer's, but they seem like under appreciated brand. The good part is they can be had for a lot less than other brand's.



 

post #16 of 21

but fischer is not a weak brand in this region; very strong following

post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

How about some K2 PBR's? They are 179 Maiden AK's with 10/20 rocker mounted with Jesters? 


I will give you one million dollars and a bacon sandwich for these.

post #18 of 21

if phil's skis are what you want, i would not wait, wait or wait. you should go by phil's, buy the watea's & say thank you & good bye.

post #19 of 21
Thread Starter 

Received the skis from Phil this weekend.  Great deal, quick turn-around.  Now I just have to wait for the powder!  We'll definitely see you guys this winter from our Truckee ski lease.  Great people to do business with....

 

Thanks,

Dan

post #20 of 21

This thread also prompted me to PM Phil and after some consultation, I called Phil today to order a pair of Blizzard Titan Argos 173s ... thanks, Phil

post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by Keith Jordan View Post

This thread also prompted me to PM Phil and after some consultation, I called Phil today to order a pair of Blizzard Titan Argos 173s ... thanks, Phil


And they will be shipped to the right address the 3 not a 6. Thank you for your patronage. 

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