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post #1 of 22
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G'day everyone, i'm Matt. I've recently moved near the snow in Australia and decided to get into skiing.

 

i've had a couple of beginer lessons and to save some money i picked up an X rental set of skis with bindings and boots and poles. for a couple of hundred $ for the lot

 

I've only got a rough idea on how to ski but seem to have picked up the basics fairly easy and am still undergoing a few lessons and basic runs.

 

I had a few questions about my gear though that i purhcased. It's a bit old and the other day the ski shop said he won't touch it as the bindings were old..

 

The skis are already adjusted to my weight and my boot so it's not a problem but he said he can still wax it for me and egde it

 

I'm not sure on the edging factor. i know waxing is like waxing sandboards but i don't know if it's different for skis. also what is the edging and why does it matter?

 

i'll post up a few photos and specs that i know of for my skis boots and bindings.

 

I was hoping someone could enlighten me as to what sort of skis they are if they are any good for me as a begginer and if i'd be ok with those bindings.... Some stores say it's bad others say i'll be fine on begginer slopes having fun

 

Well other than that i can't wait to get skiing and i'm totaly happy i now have my own ski gear even if some is cheap hehehe.

 

Pictures below.. Oh did i get the ski height right? i'm 182cm tall the skis are roughly 170cm i think. And i weigh about 90kg roughly, lolz no jokes on my weight guys :P

 

Just mostly wanted to know if these skis were good for a begginer/intermediate and if everything was the right size and well if it's bad or good gear. I'm only going on what i was told when i bought them

 

Skis are:

 

RED - Head cyber space

Yellow Head cyber x20

 

bindings are

 

RED - Tyrolia Carveplate sympro 8

Yellow Tyrolia SR-7 full diagonal

 

Sorry i don't know much on it i'm new, i'll post photos so you guys can see

 

Thanks-Matt

 

 

 

Well here are some better photos of th gear  8)


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Edited by Alienslayer - 8/16/10 at 3:49am
post #2 of 22
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Well here are some better photos of th gear  8)


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post #3 of 22

Well, I'm no gear nut, so others can tell you technical details, but your question about the bindings is one that hits home.  I broke my leg because of bad bindings.

 

Good bindings are extremely important for beginners.  When you start you tend to ski at lower speeds than more advanced skiers and bindings have more problem releasing on slow, twisting falls which are standard for beginners.  If the binding is worn and/or the anti friction technology is compromised you could be in trouble with these.  I'm not saying that this is the case, just that it's a possibility

post #4 of 22
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Oh ok well i have the techincal specs up there for the bindings hopefully someone can tell me if the bindings are still ok or not, they seem easy to put my boot into them, they don't feel stiff and it doesn't feel like i have to fight to get my boot into the binding

 

is that a good or bad sign?

post #5 of 22
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thought i might also add the guy at the ski shop pointed out a white strip at the toe end and said it was worn but should be ok.

 

I'm not to sure if i should ski on them yet i figured at slow speeds i should be ok regardless but safety first the skis are good second hand but if the bindings are done for i guess no option but to replace hey

 

well this is the proper site for skis so any advice is appreicated as i get far too much false advice locally on peopl who just wanna drain my pockets of my $$$

post #6 of 22

The bindings are still on the indemnification list and a reputable shop should be able to adjust the settings and check the release against DIN.  The appropriate settings are dependent on your skiing level (probably Type I), height, weight and boot size.   I'm not familiar with the skis, but they appear to be a dated shape that was prevalent about 8 to 10 years ago.  With a good tune up they should be serviceable, but probably are not doing you any favors in terms of making your skiing easier.  The boots are hard to judge.  I would encourage you to prioritize getting as good of a boot, professionally fitted when that meets your budget.  It is the one thing that will make the biggest difference in your skiing, regardless of the other equipment.  Those are a 30.5 Mondo size and I suspect your foot virtually floats in them.

 

Welcome to EpicSki.  The fact you are getting out and are inspired to improve is all that matters at this point.  Have some fun, and when you are ready to upgrade, this site can help you make informed decisions.  I believe one of the Bootfitters, Paulski (Paul Oberin) is from your neck of the woods.   Be sure to look him up when you're ready to move on.

 

Pauls ski shop p/l
6 Thomas Mitchell drive.
Wodonga, Victoria, Australia.
PH: 61260562488
email: paul@paulski.com.au

post #7 of 22
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yeh i've noticed a huge difference between these boots and a set of boots i hired earlier on in the season, i seem to be able to fit into them ok though although i reckon i could get a much better fit buying better gear.

 

When me and my partner both get full time work we'll look at getting some new gear

 

i looked up online and read something about sidecut making the skis easier to use, i think the red one has twice as much as they yellow one

 

well i'm going to go test them out todat, mt buffalo seems very quiet and it's got some good minor short slopes where me and my g/f can just go get used to walking in them and using them. hopefuyll not fall over too many times haha! but should be fun all practice right

post #8 of 22

I just did a binding Din calculation for you and your bindings should be set at 5.5. This is done using your height, weight, boot sole length, and skier type which as a beginner is type 1 but could change to type 2 if you are aggressive and start to advance rapidly.

 

Ski length is about right, a bit long for a beginner but the older design of the ski is a bigger hindrance than the length, IMO.

post #9 of 22

You know, it would help a lot to tune those skis.  Proper edges and bevels and a bit of wax would go a long way to making them a good tool to start on.   Check in on the Tuning an maintenance forum area and ask about a beginning tool set and check out some of the wikis and videos Alpinord and DoctorD have provided.   One thing you have that I don't, and that's snow.  You're farther ahead of the game than you may know. 

post #10 of 22
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Cool ok i checked it again and it's sitting at 7 not 5.5 it doesn't seem like much of a difference 1.5, but i don't honestly know.

 

Is 7 ok or should i adjust it to 5.5 myself? i'm guessing that's stage 2 it's set to?

 

Yeh i knew the older type would be a bit harder to ski on but i reckon at the same time now i've got a pair i own what i learn will stick with me alot easier than constantly changing skis if i were hiring.

 

I'm about to head up the mountain and give it a go, hopefully i pick it up ok but if we can't ski on them at all we'll probably sell it cheap here and buy something better.

 

But we'll see how we go first i can't wait!weather only just cleared up now so i'm on my way up

post #11 of 22
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You know, it would help a lot to tune those skis.  Proper edges and bevels and a bit of wax would go a long way to making them a good tool to start on.   Check in on the Tuning an maintenance forum area and ask about a beginning tool set and check out some of the wikis and videos Alpinord and DoctorD have provided.   One thing you have that I don't, and that's snow.  You're farther ahead of the game than you may know. 



Oh ok cool :) well i might buy an edging tool and do it myself but i was told the wax was ok on them

post #12 of 22

Alienslayer,

Did the boots that you are using come from the same person who owned the skis? If so, then the heel piece, which is on a track, is likely in the correct position. If the heel piece is not in the correct position relative to the toe piece and the sole length of your boot, the binding will not work properly and even on a beginner hill you could get injured.

 

Take skis and boots to a ski shop and get them to set the bindings up to properly fit your boot and set the correct Din. It might cost a small amount or it might be no charge especially if you get them to tune your skis for you. In the short term it will cost a lot more to get set up to tune your own skis so initially I suggest getting a ski shop to file and wax your skis.

 

Also those poles are a little short. Your forearm should be parallel to the ground when held as in the photo. Too short a pole is better than too long and as a beginner you won't be doing much pole planting anyway. Heck I'm an advanced skier and I don't do much pole planting.

post #13 of 22
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Cool thanks heaps, yeh the guys who sold me the skis also sold me the boots and they put the boots in the bindings and they tightened some screw.. then they adjusted some other thing on the ski, got me to stand on some weight balance thingo and away i went.. lol see i'm clueless :P

 

 Well i thought i might update anyway, i took them up to MT buffalo today for a test run and me and my g/f found them very easy to ski on. I found turning easier on mine and well we fell over only a couple of times going down a beginer slope and the skis came off when we fell so i'm taking that as it still works like it should lol

 

so now i'm gonna keep practising and when i get better i'll go to dinner plains small run then try falls creek then hotham :D

 

but yeh we found it easier to ski on the ones we have i don't know why but tammy said hers were shorter so i'm guessing that's why she maybe found it more easy

 

oh my poles were great for me i found them good but my g/f needs longer poles definatly

post #14 of 22

I would wax and edge those skis, and just use those bindings, but as they are on the indemnefied list, you should be able to get them adjusted at a shop that's certified to work on that brand so you may as well bring them in to a shop for a complete tune up. The skis with the shortest turn radius (most-hour-glass shape) will likely be easier to make small turns on, and the other skis more suited to longer turns at higher speeds.  However if you like going fast, you might soon be looking for another pair of skis.

post #15 of 22
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dude i'm learning, going fast is not something i wanna do right now, i'm happy spending next season ALL on beginer terrain at the resorts or maybe one or 2 intermediate runs lol

post #16 of 22
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oh what list were you looking at the local shops one of them said they were too old and didn't wanna touch them the other said only 1 binding was on the list.

 

They seem to work fine for us and the bindings work good still we tested them today was good fun, but next season i'll probably go a wax and edge.

 

post #17 of 22

As others have said that your boots maybe a little loose does your heel lift and foot twist in the boot when you turn? Even if it is just a tiny bit it is important to get better fitting boots as they will help your progression and reduce the number of falls you have.  Do not buy longer skis without buying better boots first as beginner boots will feel worse on longer skis. Dont worry about the edges unless you want them sharpened for grip on icey snow.

post #18 of 22
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Hmmm nah i got a pretty big foot there is a small amount of room i reckon a 29.5 would be an ideal fit over a 30.5 but it's given me no problems whatsoever

 

Cool well i went on a few basic runs cross country style at mt buffalo i'll put a photo up. Are most begginer runs that slow or do they go steeper as i reckon i could have gone a little steeper and did it ok

 

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post #19 of 22

Alienslayer, you are in the right place, ask away.

 

Skis are OK, about the right length, wax would help a lot and edge tuning also, tell shop 1 degree base and 2 degrees side.

 

Bindings.  7 DIN - might be just right for your weigth, the key here is MAYBE.  So check them yourself as follows:

 

Put skis on floor at home, on rug or carpet.  Get into binding one at a time with your  strongest leg.  Have someone stand on the tail of the ski about midway back from binding.  Lung forward as strong as you can, keep your knee bent/flexed or you could hurt yourself. You should come out of the binding at the heel with a medium amount of resistance.   If you can't get out or it is very hard to do so then 7 is too high, if you pop out really easy then DIN is too low.  As previously stated as a beginner your are most probably going to take slow twisting fall, so it should not be too hard to get out. 

 

Next have person stand on the front of the ski and twist your foot/knee to the inside and your should laterally come out at the toe. Again keep your knee bent and flexed.

 

If you move your DIN yourself (not recommended at your level of ski knowledge) only do so 1/2 a number at a time and then retest realease as above.

 

Once you find the right DIN, write it down somewhere so next year you can test your binding before the snow falls in the above fashion.

 

The White thing at the front of the binding is an AFD (Anti frictiion device) to better let your toes release laterally.  It should be clean and your boot should always be free of dirt/rock etc.  Clean it with WD40, clean and wipe your binding also, use WD40 and wipe off any excess.

 

Good luck, just some basics.   Welcome to Epic.

 

 

post #20 of 22
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Thankyou very much for all that. It helps greatly :) Well after testing the skis i found they were ok for us to use, of course i'll try them on some longer steeper runs and let you know how they feel.

 

I was going to use them for next years snow and buy new ones around the same time when they go on special.

 

I'll try what you said with the testing also at home. Although we both stacked it and both fell out of our skis so i'm guessing that's a good sign lolz!

 

Well i can't wait to go to dinner plain or the bigger resorts but for now i think while there is snow me and my g/f will be happy playing around at mt buffalo. It's free and more good practice cos it's very private hardly anyone around and we can get to learn the basics before we try learning other stuff

 

i'll post more photos maybe even a video later on

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Originally Posted by Alienslayer View Post

Thankyou very much for all that. It helps greatly :) Well after testing the skis i found they were ok for us to use, of course i'll try them on some longer steeper runs and let you know how they feel.

 

I was going to use them for next years snow and buy new ones around the same time when they go on special.

 

I'll try what you said with the testing also at home. Although we both stacked it and both fell out of our skis so i'm guessing that's a good sign lolz!

 

Well i can't wait to go to dinner plain or the bigger resorts but for now i think while there is snow me and my g/f will be happy playing around at mt buffalo. It's free and more good practice cos it's very private hardly anyone around and we can get to learn the basics before we try learning other stuff

 

i'll post more photos maybe even a video later on


Sounds good, free skiing awesome.  I have skied Perisher for 5 days about 10 yrs ago, had fun.  Your small area sounds good and uncrowded which is really nice when you are just learning.  Perisher was pretty crowded but we were racing so got out on hill 1 hour before the public.  Loved Australia, wife and I spent 6 weeks there and flew around the country.  Great memories.  Let us know how you're doing.  take a look at the Beginners forum you will see some old postings that might come in handy and answer a lot of questions for you both.  Heres a picture of where I ski, Silver Mt. Kellog Idaho, up north.

 

 

IMG_0534.JPG  And a mellower run thru the trees.

 

 

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post #22 of 22
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SWEET!! yeh that treet run looks awesome but i'll practice my turning and stopping before doing that lolz!

 

Well they are getting heavy snow up there today which is omg amazing considering it's now spring and i will wait for the sun to come out before i head up this weekend

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