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Freeskiing in race boots?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

 

I currently ski in a pair or Nordica Supercharger Enforcers. They are a 98mm last and 100-110 flex (ish). Basically, they are just too soft for me. Great for when i'm teaching, but when I am skiing aggressively, they just don't give me the power and support I want.

 

I went and saw a good boot fitter today. Limited selection due to the size and flex boot i'm after. Anyway, I tried on a Atomic Hawx 120, and pretty much was just crushing it according to the boot fitter. After that i was put in a Head Raptor 150RD race boot. Surprisingly, it felt much wider than the listed 95mm- but with a boot like that work is needed regardless. I liked the lace up liners and general fit, liner gave me awesome heel hold. Very few pressure points (only really 6th toe). far less than I expected.

 

My question is, that I will be using these for lots of big mtn skiing, crud busting, bumps, airs, cliffs and technical lines ect. Is it a bad idea to buy a race specific boot for this? Is the lack of shock absorption and other features free ride boots have going to give me more pain and issues?

 

I'm thinking a boot like that would really push my skiing, but along with that goes that i have to be on form or i'll get worked-much like on a stiff ski.

 

I'll keep my nordicas for teaching and park skiing. Can I put the lace up liner in them too?

 

Opinions?

post #2 of 20

I have these and they are without question the best boots I have ever skied in...and for the record I have had several WC boots before.

 

My only gripe with these is they leak really badly...snow gets in the front, and along the overlap...so on deep days, expect wet feet or you need to put plastic bags around the liner before shoving them in.  Some guys have tried tape, and even door sealer, they seem to work for awhile, put invariably the flexing means you are always playing/redoing it.

 

Also..they are without questiion the most difficult boot I have ever had to get on...by alot.  Virtually impossible to put on at anything less then room temperature.

 

In Whistler lots of pros ski/teach/bust it in these boots....if they fit go for it.  But if you dont need the narrow last, and you want a powder boot, then I would look elsewhere do to the leaking issue...but if you are like me with a super narrow foot, then it is worth putting up with. 

 

Plus as is obvious...they are a beefy boot, so you need to know what you are doing to make them work...but since it appears you ski fulltime year round, I assume that is you.

post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 

I agree with you about getting them on. Definitely not something I could do out the back of my car. Booting up in the cafe would be my only option.

 

I don't need a narrow last (and would need a bit of work done to stretch it out a bit), but it seems like the only option to get the flex I want.

 

Thanks for your comments. Basically what I was thinking...

post #4 of 20

Pretty sure they make a 150 RS as well...slightly wider, different plastic, a few other differences as well....might be a better option if you are only chasing the flex.

post #5 of 20

the RS is only available in the 130 (can be bolted to an alleged 140) which year is the 150?? being that it you are calling it the 150 RD it is either last season 09/10 or the one before, the new version the B2 has a slightly different water dam, and the guys we have using it so far have not commented on it leaking badly...... my old 120 RS leaked like a sieve, my new 130 RS doesn't so they have definately changed something in the way it seals

post #6 of 20

My son and I both ski in the Raptor 150. Best boot we both have ever skied in!

 

Ours don't leak.. never have wet feet (other then perspiration)

 

Pleanty of lower shell thickness to grind your custom fit. (I would not have them stretch them or them blown out, definetly grind 'em.

 

I ski with my with 1 screw in (140 flex)  and a triple booster strap worn under the tongue.

 

Makes for an extremely versatile boot in all conditions.

 

Ours are the origianl REd version and i think I have 3 seasons in them!

 

Superb combo of power and balance and comfort!

 

By the way I have a very wide forefoot. My foot touched everywhere in the shell sockless before my fitter custom fit them.

 

Again no stretching only grinding.

post #7 of 20

This summer I purchased new Atomic RT CS 140 race boots... Haven't skied in them yet,BUT..

 

I have very wide feet/around 105mm and rediculously high instep and arch... These are the only boots that when I put my feet in and I felt comfortable without doing any bootfitting.. The buckles are on tight and I feel comfy even after 20 min.. I'll just wait to ski in them 2-3 times, before I do custom foot beds..

IMO you may consider just trying them out, cause they might work for you.. Plus they have a couple of bolts, which can be removed to soften the flex, if needed ...

post #8 of 20

the CS is in the Plug-a-Bee category. not a true Plug boot. (Much thinner lower shell material for one thing) and a roomy last overall!

 

it has a 98MM last and more instep room then the RT TI models which are true plugs and only 95MM last. 3mm is quite substantial when discussing boot fitting.

 

It would be a very rare bird that could ski in a true plug out of the box. Just sayin'.......................

post #9 of 20

^^^ I agree with what you saying.. I didn't said it was a true PLUG BOOT, but the OP didin't specify the type of race boots he wanted to try. The only clue was that he tried Raptor RD 150, and some other Atomic Hawx, so I just  suggested for him to try the CS line...

Plus freeskiing/ powder, bumps,big moutain, etc/ in a real Plug boots would be PITA unless is on groomed hard slopes with stiff/race skis..

 

I got the impression, that you  and your son ski mostly race skis ...

 

On the other hand last season I skied on RC4 WC Pro 130 and even though they are 98last the feel is totally different.. Anyway, my friend got Raptors and have only good things to say about them.

post #10 of 20

Seemed to me the majority of his post & questions was about the Raptor 150. On the contrary we mostly freeski and dabble in Masters Racing.

 

Our home mountain is known for Steeps, and lots of off-piste skiing,  and of course a fair share of groomers. 

 

A Booster strap used properly makes the boot much more user friendly (although my son uses the stock Head strap, but he weighs 220 Lbs.)  I on the other hand am about 188 Lbs. and again have my boot set to 140 flex.

 

I do use a very flexible non-posted custom foot bed and have left some room around my navicular both to be able to subtly adjust  balance in my boot.

 

Here are some pics i posted a couple of sesons FREESKIING in very soft  snow, fairly large bumps and on MOJO 94's and Raptor 150's

 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/83940/still-shots-ma

post #11 of 20

I spent the past 2 seasons skiing Whistler in my Dobermann 150s. I have had no issues, though I recommend Booster straps for shin bang reasons.

post #12 of 20

I wear a plug boot for every skiing.

 

The RT-CS is only wider in the forefoot than the RT-TI. In fact, we have some racers that start with the CS last now to save on grinding work. For those elite racers, the outer mould is the same as the Hi/a and Hi/b with the 5mm extra height, but the CS plug is used to get the extra volume, and the Hi or H plastic is used. My current boots are 140CS lower shells with a B cuff, and my new boots are H/b CS.

post #13 of 20

I freeskied in plugs for years.   The skiing was great, but hiking in them killed me.

post #14 of 20

Thanks for clarifying BR I have alwasy found the Rt Ti to have a very low instep???

 

Am going to Race Masters on the D2 Race GS this season, true to my namesake!

 

Demoed the Head i.speed, fisher Rc4 Pro and the D2 last season.

 

The Atomic blew the other 2 away.

post #15 of 20

I have a pair of Lange Freeride 130s and love the hell out of them.  If only they were pebax tho, and held their stiffness in the springtime.  That's my only gripe aside from the liner auto-soak shells Langes are famous for. 

post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

Thanks for clarifying BR I have alwasy found the Rt Ti to have a very low instep???

 

 

The Atomic blew the other 2 away.



Yeah thanks for that betaracer...

And yeah, Atomic D2 race GS and SL rocks....

post #17 of 20

DHogg-

You said that your current Nordica Supercharger Enforcers were too soft, but didn't mention the fit.  If you like the fit, have you considered one of the Dobermann models with the same 98 mm last?

 

Several years ago I switched from the Nordica Beast to the Dobermann Pro 130 (pre EDT model) and was amazed at the difference in performance.  Originally, I bought the Pro 130 primarily as a race boot, but found it to be great for free-skiing as well.  The flex feels about perfect for an all-around boot, but a bit too soft for a dedicated race boot.  Now, it is my only boot for everything from gates to groomed to bumps to powder to crud.  The bonus for me was that they needed no customization for a great fit.

post #18 of 20


 

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Originally Posted by NeedToSki View Post

DHogg-

You said that your current Nordica Supercharger Enforcers were too soft, but didn't mention the fit.  If you like the fit, have you considered one of the Dobermann models with the same 98 mm last?

 

Several years ago I switched from the Nordica Beast to the Dobermann Pro 130 (pre EDT model) and was amazed at the difference in performance.  Originally, I bought the Pro 130 primarily as a race boot, but found it to be great for free-skiing as well.  The flex feels about perfect for an all-around boot, but a bit too soft for a dedicated race boot.  Now, it is my only boot for everything from gates to groomed to bumps to powder to crud.  The bonus for me was that they needed no customization for a great fit.

Totally second that one. I was in Dal Kryptons for two years and tried to love them. No luck. Could not get the fit right  with the stock liner or Intuitions, even after four reheats. Picked up a pair of the Doberman 130's and skied them all last year. Wonderful boot, especially with the old Doberman lace up liner I used for a few years with a Tecnica plug boot. I do not race. But I do like a boot that fits like a glove and is ultra responsive. That is what the Dobermans have done for me. Great fit in the foot and with my chicken shins (though I do use a Booster strap). A very compliant boot. Not too stiff and nice upright stance for leisurely runs. Definitely not a plug boot, as the Tecnica XT 17's were, but much more fun. You are a capable skier, fear not.

post #19 of 20
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the input. I went to see another boot fitter and tried on a few things. Really liked the Ghost. I think a plug boot like the raptor is overkill and i'm going to try find a high end consumer 130is flex boot. Ghost fits that pretty well. I might also see if anyone has some dobie 130's to give a try.

post #20 of 20

Skied lange x9 race boot for over 15 years in the backcountry,  did great, never even thought about another boot until I wore the toes out and the ski shop wouldn't put demo skis on them.    I am looking to go softer now, tried a few pairs (returned one), getting older...   

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