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2010 Gotama

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Shop on the mountain just picked up a pair of 178 and 186 to sell.

 

 

I've seen a lot of the different models of this ski, none of them really stick out to me as the ski I want to be on, but the 2010 jumped out at me right away. I think this is going to be an awesome ski.

 

There was a Salomon Czar on the rack right next to the gotama(Czar is on the top of my list).  Gotama is poppier/stiffer, better topsheet/sidewall design in my opinion.  They pretty much look like the same ski, but the Gotama seems like a more all around one quiver ski.  Rocker on the gotama seems like it was designed for the ski to be able to hold on groomers/hardpack.

 

Anyone actually been on these ski's yet and have beta on them?

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I've been on both the 178 and 186. Great all around ski. I loved it. Groomer performance was still very good. As good as I would ever need. I wrote a review on this ski recently.

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Agree. Overall, a very nice ski. IMO it is a definite step up from old school "all mountain" skis.

 

The two issues I had/have:

 

1) I was using a 194. IMO there is not much use for that length if you have any sort of a quiver. On a big day, you want something fatter & more fully powder oriented. On firm days, the extra length adds ski/weight without really offering much benefit. I'm guessing the 186 is the sweet spot...

 

2) The full reverse camber demands management on true hardpack. Unlike skis with a flat spot or more hybrid camber, the Gotama demands that you keep it on edge on firm snow. Else the full reverse camber serves up a definite teeter totter effect. As long as the ski is on edge, no worries. But it is not terribly forgiving of carelessness on hardpack or ice.

 

While I have not skied it, the Czar is quite a different design due to the basic camber profile. I am not so much a fan of skis lacking some amount of tail rocker...

post #4 of 7

 

I have owned two pr of the old Gotamas and skied the 2010 186 about 5-6 different occasions last year. I have also skied the Czar a fair bit as well over the last two years. While the Czar is a tip rise only ski, the rise is more pronounced than the front portion of the Gotama. The remainder of the Czar is conventional from the contact point back. The Gotama OTH, is a continuous rocker albeit fairly moderate in amplitude.

 

You don't say how you want to use them but there are two likely scenarios (powder only or everyday)

 

Both skis are on the narrow side for a powder specialty ski but if that's what you want it for, they both ski deep snow well considering their widths. While they are different, IMO there is no dramatic advantage either way for deep snow. For that context, I'd be happy with either one.

 

If you want more of a big mountain character, (meaning a bigger ski with utility in other than powder situations) that is a somewhat different kettle of fish.

 

On consolidated surfaces, the conventional section of the Czar is reasonably solid. It is however, wider and softer and you will notice that the soft, rockered tip feels disconnected. In those conditions, the Gotama feels loose and sort of "vague" for the whole length because there is no conventional section to stand on. If you can build enough edge angle to get the sidecut connected to the snow, the Gotama settles down at least somewhat.

 

The area where there is a notable difference is a "mixed salad" day. This is when you might have 6"-12" of skied out 2 day old snow over a firm surface. In those conditions, you'll have patches of firm stuff where the snow is scraped off, clumps of fairly soft chop, and quite a bit of crud that is consolidating toward incipient bumpazz. Neither ski is particularly good at this but for my personal tastes, the Gotama can't decide where to go or what to do. At least the the conventional section of the Czar is a more stable platform in these conditions.

 

So.....both skis are adequate narrow powder skis but neither particularly excells as an everday choice. If I had to choose one of the two for powder use, I wouldn't particularly care. If I had to have one of those two with some everyday conditions in mind, it would be the Czar.

 

SJ

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Thread Starter 

Thanks a ton for the feedback Jim.

 

 

I think mostly what I was shooting for was the mixed salad days.  To me it sounds like neither ski is really going to do what I'm looking for, it is likely what I really need is seaparate powder/salad skis.

 

I have good access to demo skis in the winter, I will be getting on a lot of these before I make any decisions. 

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I have owned two pr of the old Gotamas and skied the 2010 186 about 5-6 different occasions last year. I have also skied the Czar a fair bit as well over the last two years. While the Czar is a tip rise only ski, the rise is more pronounced than the front portion of the Gotama. The remainder of the Czar is conventional from the contact point back. The Gotama OTH, is a continuous rocker albeit fairly moderate in amplitude.

 

You don't say how you want to use them but there are two likely scenarios (powder only or everyday)

 

Both skis are on the narrow side for a powder specialty ski but if that's what you want it for, they both ski deep snow well considering their widths. While they are different, IMO there is no dramatic advantage either way for deep snow. For that context, I'd be happy with either one.

 

If you want more of a big mountain character, (meaning a bigger ski with utility in other than powder situations) that is a somewhat different kettle of fish.

 

On consolidated surfaces, the conventional section of the Czar is reasonably solid. It is however, wider and softer and you will notice that the soft, rockered tip feels disconnected. In those conditions, the Gotama feels loose and sort of "vague" for the whole length because there is no conventional section to stand on. If you can build enough edge angle to get the sidecut connected to the snow, the Gotama settles down at least somewhat.

 

The area where there is a notable difference is a "mixed salad" day. This is when you might have 6"-12" of skied out 2 day old snow over a firm surface. In those conditions, you'll have patches of firm stuff where the snow is scraped off, clumps of fairly soft chop, and quite a bit of crud that is consolidating toward incipient bumpazz. Neither ski is particularly good at this but for my personal tastes, the Gotama can't decide where to go or what to do. At least the the conventional section of the Czar is a more stable platform in these conditions.

 

So.....both skis are adequate narrow powder skis but neither particularly excells as an everday choice. If I had to choose one of the two for powder use, I wouldn't particularly care. If I had to have one of those two with some everyday conditions in mind, it would be the Czar.

 

SJ


That's when I greatly appreciate my '09 Argos!!!
 

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That's when I greatly appreciate my '09 Argos!!!
 


Yes....exceptional ski.

 

SJ

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