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Don't look now but one of those crappy roadie bike handlers just crushed all those mtn bike specialists at their own game...

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mtn bike specialists.  I guess you don't really need a mtn bike background to have bike handling skills.  Maybe it's just because all Mtn bikers are dope smokers

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I hate to break it to you, but Leadville isn't exactly a bike-handlers course. It's more like a course for a pair of lungs with legs attached. Congrats to Levi though. Would anyone have bet against him?

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My bud rode Leadville yesterday for the first time. Finished in 10 hours, 1 minute.

 

Not a MTB race as you might think. More like a hilly dirt road race at high altitude.

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Originally Posted by UGASkiDawg View Post

mtn bike specialists.  I guess you don't really need a mtn bike background to have bike handling skills.  Maybe it's just because all Mtn bikers are dope smokers


yeah now if this was the Breck 100 or Firecracker 50 id be much more impressed with hius bike handling skills, there is no doubt that his power to weight at elevation was better than anyone else that day. Amazing that JHK at 190 lb was able to stay that close.

 

Leadville is a dirt road race. Some guys dont even go to it because of that fact. Josh Tostado for instance could probably do very well but was probably out riding singletrack instead of suffering on exposued fireroad climbs. 

 

Congrats to levi. but let see him show up at the firecracker 50(aka the marathon nationals) and try to beat JHK there.

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all I have to say is damn, elevation profile of the leadville 100.

 

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The course is made up of fire roads and pavement, with less than one mile of single track.  Not to take anything away from Levi, but it didn't take much in the way of mountain bike handling skills.

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Anybody who completes the Leadville 100 has my respect. MTB skills or not.

 

Imagine that same race on singletrack. It would become the Deathville 100

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Anybody who completes the Leadville 100 has my respect. MTB skills or not.

 

Imagine that same race on singletrack. It would become the Deathville 100


its called the Breck 100 

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…it’s always some qualifier.

 

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The course is made up of fire roads and pavement, with less than one mile of single track.  Not to take anything away from Levi, but it didn't take much in the way of mountain bike handling skills.



Yup, next year I hear they’re requiring all riders use Zipp 909 speed weaponry for that route 

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…it’s always some qualifier.

 



Yup, next year I hear they’re requiring all riders use Zipp 909 speed weaponry for that route 


Levi did describe it as being like a 6 hour time trial.
 

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…it’s always some qualifier.

 



Yup, next year I hear they’re requiring all riders use Zipp 909 speed weaponry for that route 

 

zipp 101s or even some 303s might work great laced up to some disc MTB hubs. they are stiff enough for cobbles/cyclocross they would be fine at leadville.

 


leadville 100

 

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Breck 100

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Wilderness 101 @ three bridges

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Stoopid 50

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me@Big Bear 50

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Leadville is technically the easiest 100 mile race done(and won) on mountain bikes in the country, the next step down is a gravel road race where people win on cross bikes. All of the above races arent as big because roadies cant do well at them, you have to be a pretty good MTBer to do well at any of them.

 

 

the thing is Levi can ride a MTB probably MUCH better than the roadies who are trying to defend him in this thread, but he cant ride a MTB like JHK, Craig, Rad Ross, Bishop or any other top XC guy or hell tons of local level racers including myself.

 

Levi is good, but not great

 

the biggest problem I see is he ride great on his bike, but needs to learn how to ride with it. He doesnst really move well into turns or with terrain and is VERY passive. He would get tons better by spending sometime on a pumptrack. He has the basics and a great bunny hop down already and is having tons of fun. BTW that is lance following.

 

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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

zipp 101s or even some 303s might work great laced up to some disc MTB hubs. they are stiff enough for cobbles/cyclocross they would be fine at leadville.

 

 

Interesting you mention these two 

 

303 tubular is svelte speed but one trick for me at that price.  I have just mounted up a pair of Zipp’s 101 for a 5 day demo.  Road set up; but I’ll be testing these on everything from washboard to climbs some fast steep descents.  The rep really wants me to mash these.

 

I have a number of questions for a $1,300.00 alu clincher from Zipp…but they know where to place weight and are damn good with their bearings.  I was going to post up some thoughts after my experience.

Now back to Lead…

 

 

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Originally Posted by DonDenver View Post

 

Interesting you mention these two 

 

303 tubular is svelte speed but one trick for me at that price.  I have just mounted up a pair of Zipp’s 101 for a 5 day demo.  Road set up; but I’ll be testing these on everything from washboard to climbs some fast steep descents.  The rep really wants me to mash these.

 

I have a number of questions for a $1,300.00 alu clincher from Zipp…but they know where to place weight and are damn good with their bearings.  I was going to post up some thoughts after my experience.

Now back to Lead…

 


Id try the 101s tubeless, if you buy them. and FYI I meant the clincher 303 because well getting a flat with tubular sucks.

 

The 101 is wide enough to maybe run a 1.9 29er tires, and should be able to be set up tubeless with some plugs and tubeless valve stem. someone is going to great lenghts at leadville one year to win it.

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Id try the 101s tubeless, if you buy them.

 

 

“Tubeless ready” or “modified” with some rims absolutely Josh…but no advantage with the 101s from 21 to 25mm with the way that Toroidal rim spreads out the tire and drops the crown down.  It is substantial viewing it close up as well as side by side with standard setups…I’ve not seen any clincher with that kind of profile.

 

The tire I’m using with the 101 rim is the Zipp Tangente [Vittoria based] 290TPI 23mm clincher along with Specialized’s pre-talced Turbo Ultralight Road tube.  With my riding weight at 181lbs rolling resistance and deflection are maximized with this set up at at 8 bar front/ 8.4 bar rear. 

 

Went out on a quick circle last night…”amazing forward momentum” was my first thought.  I’ll start putting these wheels and setup to the test today and collect my impressions over the next few days.  Stoked!    



 

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“Tubeless ready” or “modified” with some rims absolutely Josh…but no advantage with the 101s from 21 to 25mm with the way that Toroidal rim spreads out the tire and drops the crown down.  It is substantial viewing it close up as well as side by side with standard setups…I’ve not seen any clincher with that kind of profile.

 

The tire I’m using with the 101 rim is the Zipp Tangente [Vittoria based] 290TPI 23mm clincher along with Specialized’s pre-talced Turbo Ultralight Road tube.  With my riding weight at 181lbs rolling resistance and deflection are maximized with this set up at at 8 bar front/ 8.4 bar rear. 

 

Went out on a quick circle last night…”amazing forward momentum” was my first thought.  I’ll start putting these wheels and setup to the test today and collect my impressions over the next few days.  Stoked!    



 

 

the advantage is no pinch flats, which here on our street is pretty common. I am running ghettoized tubeless on my roadbike with velocity rim strips, calfree tubeless valve stems and normal specialized tires on FSA RD400. Waiting to set up the same way on my cross bike.

 

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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

the advantage is no pinch flats, which here on our street is pretty common. I am running ghettoized tubeless on my roadbike with velocity rim strips, calfree tubeless valve stems and normal specialized tires on FSA RD400. Waiting to set up the same way on my cross bike.

 

I don’t know anything about your riding habits Josh but for me if pinch flats were an issue I’d work the problem first before jumping to tubeless.  Obviously there’s certain advantages with tubes as well as there are inherent issues with tubeless as well as tubular.  Be that as it is, it takes time to find your particular balance point between rolling resistance, grip and deflection with respect to a front/rear inflation that works best for you.  Of course once you achieve your best performing balance point you’ll find that it will be different  with other wheel sets and tires if you run multiple set ups.  

 

Nevertheless, there is a reason the Zipp 101’s rock with tubes…you can just look at them and know your issue will not be “pinch flats”…and halleluiah to that  

 

Oh…and now I’m off for an extended lunch ride on those 101s...

 

[btw...can you tell me what the hell was the topic of this thread  ] 

 

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I don’t know anything about your riding habits Josh but for me if pinch flats were an issue I’d work the problem first before jumping to tubeless.  Obviously there’s certain advantages with tubes as well as there are inherent issues with tubeless as well as tubular.  Be that as it is, it takes time to find your particular balance point between rolling resistance, grip and deflection with respect to a front/rear inflation that works best for you.  Of course once you achieve your best performing balance point you’ll find that it will be different  with other wheel sets and tires if you run multiple set ups.  

 

Nevertheless, there is a reason the Zipp 101’s rock with tubes…you can just look at them and know your issue will not be “pinch flats”…and halleluiah to that  

 

Oh…and now I’m off for an extended lunch ride on those 101s...

 

[btw...can you tell me what the hell was the topic of this thread  ] 

 

no idea but glad I derailed the topic:).

 

work the problem?....I see what your saying but say on a MTB that wouldnt work and in the burgh with potholes and cobblestones. Again there is no advantage on the road with tubes, none. The only advantage to tubes is easy set up. There is no advantage to tubes on the roads. They weigh more, roll slower, and get flats more.

 

I live in town with cobblestones, I run 80ish psi to smooth it out. With tubes they pinch flat. with tubeless youd have to really try to pinch flat that. Tubulars arent an option number 1 due to cost, number 2 because you cant repair it on the road.

 

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my streets are also steeper than your so traction can be an issue on road bike even in totally dry condtions.

 

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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

 the thing is Levi can ride a MTB probably MUCH better than the roadies who are trying to defend him in this thread, but he cant ride a MTB like JHK, Craig, Rad Ross, Bishop or any other top XC guy or hell tons of local level racers including myself.

 

Levi is good, but not great

 

 the biggest problem I see is he ride great on his bike, but needs to learn how to ride with it. He doesnst really move well into turns or with terrain and is VERY passive. He would get tons better by spending sometime on a pumptrack. He has the basics and a great bunny hop down already and is having tons of fun. BTW that is lance following.

 



Damn BWPA, how has he ever gotten along without all your experience and expertise to guide him?

 

On the other hand, you are already a legend in your own mind 

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i was justifing why levi probably couldnt win another 100 miler in this country. I think he would suffer on something like the wilderness 101. He knows he will suffer as well that why I doubt he will ever enter a real 100 mile MTB race.
 

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Damn BWPA, how has he ever gotten along without all your experience and expertise to guide him?

 

On the other hand, you are already a legend in your own mind  

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i was justifing why levi probably couldnt win another 100 miler in this country. I think he would suffer on something like the wilderness 101. He knows he will suffer as well that why I doubt he will ever enter a real 100 mile MTB race.
 



So what?! Why would he even want to?

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