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Originally Posted by jimintokyo View Post

To Bode, we're all gapers.


But wait...to park rats everywhere...Bode looks like a Gaper.  He wears one of those funny looking speed suits.


 

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Originally Posted by Jimski View Post



 

Grooming -- maybe.

 

High insurance rates -- due to gapers?  Or the park rats and the guys hucking off cliffs in the back country?

 

High speed lifts -- I've never known a skier, regardless of ability, who didn't prefer getting up the mountain faster. 

 

So, let's say a third to a half of all lift tickets are purchased by gapers.  Eliminate that revenue flow, and ticket prices will come down?  Hmmm.... this sounds like Palinomics.
 


High Insurance Rates - Is it always the park rats and guys hucking off cliffs?  Or could it be the racer that spirals out of control off the race course into a tree because he was going to fast for his own ability.  Or just plain didn't care to use his/her own peripheral vision to scan outside a 5 Degree area directly in front of them and blasted into another customer?  (Case in point...Mt. Hood last week.  Where the main run funnels into the parking lot.  Two racers speed in, only one makes it out.  The other was left to fend for themselves in the rocks, on her face.  True story.  SkierGirl777 can back me up on this)

High Speed Lifts - My Dad at 60 years old, and 280 lbs., enjoys a nice break on the lifts.  It gives his legs time to recover before the next run.
 

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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post

If you stopped grooming for the Gapers then the crowds would go down, which would reduce insurance rates and eliminate the need for multi-million dollar high speed lifts, which would reduce lift ticket prices.   When the crowds increase at an area do the prices go down, no, they go up, because they need more parking, lifts, employees, etc.

 

The cheapest (and IMO best) skiing is found at small areas that have old fixed grip lifts and minimal grooming. When an area forces you to ski the "mountain' as opposed to nothing but groomed runs, the Gapers stay away, and the ticket prices stay low.


On the flipside here, we had that earlier claim that to Bode, everyone is a Gaper.  Bode likes groomed runs.    So one of these two statements doesn't jive.  If grooming is for Gapers, then Bode is a Gaper.  If everyone is a Gaper to Bode, then runs are not groomed for Gapers, but for elite skiers that are the epitome of cool.

 

Regarding ticket prices and amenities, I look back at my 5 home resorts around Spokane, in order from Cheapest to Most Expensive.

 

Lookout Pass = 3 Fixed Grip Doubles, no condos, least terrain

Mt. Spokane = 5 Fixed Grip Doubles, does have old Condos, not slopeside

49 Degrees North = 4 Doubles, 1 Fixed Grip Quad(New, opened awesome terrain)

Silver Mountain = 2 Doubles, 2 Triples, 1 Short Quad, 1 Parking Lot to Mountain People Mover (Gondola not for skiing), and lots of new Condos at the base of Gondola.  Weak grooming.

Schweitzer = Not sure on the latest lift count, but the only one with high speed lifts.  Also the most condos, slopeside and Terrain and a mini village at base. 

 

So ticket price IS directly related to number of amenities.
 

post #32 of 56
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Originally Posted by FujativeOCR View Post

 

So ticket price IS directly related to number of amenities.
 


That is really my point. The amenties are for the Gapers.  If your interest is primarily the skiing, you are stuck paying higher ticket prices for things you do not want or use.  If an area has good terrain and lifts that work, the rest is incidental for many of us.

post #33 of 56
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Originally Posted by Jimski View Post


  I'm fairly sure (segbrown's testimony notwithstanding) that many others prefer high speed lifts over slow ones -- not just "gapers".  I don't even mind paying for them.  For me, every minute on a slow lift (adjusted for lift line time) is one less minute on the slopes. 
 

 

Well, you originally said "I've never known a skier ... who didn't prefer getting up the mountain faster." I'm sure many prefer high-speed lifts. I prefer them in instances. But every minute on a slow lift also equals fewer people up the mountain thus preserves the snow a little longer. Quality over quantity, here.
 

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Originally Posted by Jimski View Post

 

High speed lifts -- I've never known a skier, regardless of ability, who didn't prefer getting up the mountain faster. 

  



 

Well there is such a thing as too fast...  I mean, how else asm I supposed to drink this beer and finish off (or even light) this doobie before I get to the top if we're doing 45 on the chair?? 

 

Gapers can be categorized by cluelessness wrapped in an air of superiority.  Asking for the grooming report on a 24" pow day, wearing all 80s gear while being a hoity-toity superior-acting douche, and yes- even throwing ten grand at a day's outfit and gear without knowing how to link a turn all could categorize you as a gaper but doesn't guarantee it by any means.  I know plenty of people who use old gear that are NOT gapers by any stretch.   

 

Biggest gaper I ever met: A friend and I were skiing a SICK line that was hand cut a year earlier- very tight crux, tight trees, steep chute to mandatory air double-stager, etc...  We are skiing to the crux and ALL THE POW  was gone, scraped down to bare rocks.  It looked like a snowboarder had gone through sideways, making our decent very treacherous.  We sketched our way down, blasted the double stager and cleared the rest of the trail, crunching the whole way on the rocks someone had so kindly exposed for us.  What's at the bottom but a dude in jeans and a peacoat on straight skis sidestepping his way down slowly and dragging some woman with similar attire and style behind him.  So thinking he was in trouble from how he was getting down, we stopped to ask him "Dude, are you ok?  You lost or something?"  he shot back with a "What the f*%$ is that supposed to mean?" so my buddy shot back with "Well you clearly don't belong in here, so you're either lost or just plain stupid"...  The guy lost his mind, screaming about who he was, who he knows, who do we think we are, etc.  We laughed and skied away, leaving him to his gaper steeze rantfest.  So in short, I think being a REAL gaper means a). you don't know shit AND b). you're an entitled douche about it.

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With regard to resorts:

Gapers to me are those that stand in front blocking the entrance to the lift line maze at the bottom of a lift.   They are the ones who go to the steepest above treeline bowls on a powder day in a big group and then essentially lay a giant diagonal ski cut across fresh powder and screw up everyone's untracked line from the top.  Those that create dangerous situations for others and don't look out for themselves properly.  Snowboarders edging down a powder run scraping away massive amounts of powder.   All about them.   Careless, senseless people not defined by their ski clothes or abilities.  Selfish douchebags in general.    People who generally don't think about others, only themselves and their good time.  

 

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High Speed Lifts - My Dad at 60 years old, and 280 lbs., enjoys a nice break on the lifts.  It gives his legs time to recover before the next run.
 


 


I too have mixed feelings with high speed lifts. Yea it's nice to get up the hill fast, but by hour four of skiing I do appreciate the rest time. Plus there is time to socialize and, as was mentioned fewer people on the runs at any given time.

 

And at some of the busier bigger Tahoe resorts the lift lines are such that it can take you 15 minutes to get on the lift. It seems like the resorts with fast lifts tend to be more crowded and have the long lines. I'll take slow lifts and short lines over fast lifts and long lines any day

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The 50 year old woman who overtakes me while I'm snowboarding, and screams 'get out of the way, get out of the way!', then clips the tail of my board and spins me out. Then proceeds to stop and start screaming at me about how dangerous 'you snowboarders' are. While I'm in uniform. With 'Supervisor' on my name tag. With a PSIA pin on. Riding with a ski patroller. That's a gaper.

 

The 35 year old man who comes to take a never-ever lesson with me, is very open about having never skied before, and fifteen minutes into the lesson tells me I don't know what the f*** I'm talking about. Then storms out of the lesson to find the Supervisor. Then finds out I'm the Supervisor on duty. That's a gaper.

 

The 27 year old fellow instructor who refuses to buy shaped skis because he calls it 'wussing out'... then demos Salomon Lords and asks everybody why 'nobody told me how much better they are'. That's a gaper.

 

The 24 year old guy who airs over a roller, takes out an elderly lady by her head, and then goes to ski away, and curses me out when I tell him he needs to stop. That's a gaper.

 

The 15 year old park rat who tells me to get out of the park because I'm too old. And then straight airs every jump while rolling down the windows. As I follow him throwing invert 5's and tailgrab 7's. That's a gaper.

 

post #39 of 56

"Gaper" is simply slang for "tourist", applied indiscriminately by people who, by accident of birth, are under the misconcepion that they own the mountain.   I've yet to hear of an actual adult responsible for earning an actual living  use the term - just kids and trust fund babies whose parents' or grandparents' money allows them to be "locals" and denigrate the paying customers that allow their personal playground to stay open. Hence the odd cognative dissonance in definitions: Ski on the newest gear? Gaper. Ski on  older gear? Gaper.  Ski on rentals? Gaper. Wear the "wrong" brand of jacket? Gaper. Wear the wrong style of jacket? Gaper. Clothes cost "too much"? Gaper. Clothes cost too little? Gaper. Ski too fast? Gaper. Ski too slow? Gaper.  Ski a different line than me? Gaper. Ski instead of snowboard? Gaper.

 

What it comes down to is this:  Not part of that over-privileged and self-indulged demographic that uses the word "gaper"? Gaper.   

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The 50 year old woman who overtakes me while I'm snowboarding, and screams 'get out of the way, get out of the way!', then clips the tail of my board and spins me out. Then proceeds to stop and start screaming at me about how dangerous 'you snowboarders' are. While I'm in uniform. With 'Supervisor' on my name tag. With a PSIA pin on. Riding with a ski patroller. That's a gaper.

 

The 35 year old man who comes to take a never-ever lesson with me, is very open about having never skied before, and fifteen minutes into the lesson tells me I don't know what the f*** I'm talking about. Then storms out of the lesson to find the Supervisor. Then finds out I'm the Supervisor on duty. That's a gaper.

 

The 27 year old fellow instructor who refuses to buy shaped skis because he calls it 'wussing out'... then demos Salomon Lords and asks everybody why 'nobody told me how much better they are'. That's a gaper.

 

The 24 year old guy who airs over a roller, takes out an elderly lady by her head, and then goes to ski away, and curses me out when I tell him he needs to stop. That's a gaper.

 

The 15 year old park rat who tells me to get out of the park because I'm too old. And then straight airs every jump while rolling down the windows. As I follow him throwing invert 5's and tailgrab 7's. That's a gaper.

 



This FTW.  Clulessness + false superiority + false entitlement + mouth - skills = Gaper. 

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Originally Posted by Mr5150 View Post

 

"Philosophically, what makes one a Gaper?"

 

Starting this jong thread & [like me] posting a reply to it 



 

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I too have mixed feelings with high speed lifts. Yea it's nice to get up the hill fast, but by hour four of skiing I do appreciate the rest time. Plus there is time to socialize and, as was mentioned fewer people on the runs at any given time.

 

 

Mr5150, Fujative, Do Work, etc. --

 

There is an alternative: you could take the (relatively) high speed gondola up Mt. Mansfield at Stowe and, if you need more rest time, have a chocolate covered waffle at the top.  Carbo loading is important!    

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Me?  What in the blazes would I need more rest time for?

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Originally Posted by freeski919 View Post

The 50 year old woman who overtakes me while I'm snowboarding, and screams 'get out of the way, get out of the way!', then clips the tail of my board and spins me out. Then proceeds to stop and start screaming at me about how dangerous 'you snowboarders' are. While I'm in uniform. With 'Supervisor' on my name tag. With a PSIA pin on. Riding with a ski patroller. That's a gaper.

 

The 35 year old man who comes to take a never-ever lesson with me, is very open about having never skied before, and fifteen minutes into the lesson tells me I don't know what the f*** I'm talking about. Then storms out of the lesson to find the Supervisor. Then finds out I'm the Supervisor on duty. That's a gaper.

 

The 27 year old fellow instructor who refuses to buy shaped skis because he calls it 'wussing out'... then demos Salomon Lords and asks everybody why 'nobody told me how much better they are'. That's a gaper.

 

The 24 year old guy who airs over a roller, takes out an elderly lady by her head, and then goes to ski away, and curses me out when I tell him he needs to stop. That's a gaper.

 

The 15 year old park rat who tells me to get out of the park because I'm too old. And then straight airs every jump while rolling down the windows. As I follow him throwing invert 5's and tailgrab 7's. That's a gaper.

 



STRONGLY DISAGREE.

 

1. The 50 year old woman who overtook you - you're a supervisor report her dumb ass to the ski patrol.

 

2. 27 yr old ski instructor - not a gaper - just stupid.  Did you tell him I told you so - stupid.

 

3. The  24 yr old who hit a person and left - In Calif. thats a crime hit and run.  Did you report him.  Not a gaper, just an inconsiderate fool.

 

4,  Bit a 15 yr old gaper - just a 15 yr old punk - did you meet him a the lift and tell him to shut his mouth.

 

first, I know you can't do most of this cause you work for the Ski area,  but bet you'd have like too.  My point is these aren't Gapers, Gapers are differeent than these JONGS  - gapers are maybe clueless but thats part of their charm and make them bring a smile to me face.  Promise I will take my camera more this year and get some pics of what i AM talking about.  You also cite one of the reasons I quit instructing so I could enjoy skiing more.

 

4.

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This thread begs the question;  what is a Super Gaper?

 

I like a particular high speed lift that transports me 4139 vertical feet in 10 minutes with 99 other gapers.

 

I usually ski 2-4 hours a day, though 120 days a season.

 

I think those two things qualify me as a Super Gaper.

 

 

 

BTW, what is a JONG?

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Originally Posted by supergaper View Post

This thread begs the question;  what is a Super Gaper?

 

I like a particular high speed lift that transports me 4139 vertical feet in 10 minutes with 99 other gapers.

 

I usually ski 2-4 hours a day, though 120 days a season.

 

I think those two things qualify me as a Super Gaper.

 

 

 

BTW, what is a JONG?


to bad your lift serviced season ends in early april brah :).

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to bad your lift serviced season ends in early april brah :).


So true, and they force the opening Thanksgiving weekend when there is no snow, but skier interest.

 

At least I have family in the Bay Area and can catch some North Tahoe days afterwords.

 

And a Super Gaper is someone who has crashed into the aluminum railing that frames the Sublette Lift Maze- twice!

post #48 of 56

Super Gaper is the person that visited a resort once 20 years ago and is now taking a group of pure virgin gapers acting as guide, tech, and instructor for the group.

post #49 of 56

A gaper philosopher is one who reads Kant on snowlerblades powder cords, wearing a neon fartbag.

 

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STRONGLY DISAGREE.

 

1. The 50 year old woman who overtook you - you're a supervisor report her dumb ass to the ski patrol.

 

2. 27 yr old ski instructor - not a gaper - just stupid.  Did you tell him I told you so - stupid.

 

3. The  24 yr old who hit a person and left - In Calif. thats a crime hit and run.  Did you report him.  Not a gaper, just an inconsiderate fool.

 

4,  Bit a 15 yr old gaper - just a 15 yr old punk - did you meet him a the lift and tell him to shut his mouth.

 

first, I know you can't do most of this cause you work for the Ski area,  but bet you'd have like too.  My point is these aren't Gapers, Gapers are differeent than these JONGS  - gapers are maybe clueless but thats part of their charm and make them bring a smile to me face.  Promise I will take my camera more this year and get some pics of what i AM talking about.  You also cite one of the reasons I quit instructing so I could enjoy skiing more.

 

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The 50 year old, I was with a patroller at the time. I just stood there and watched my patrol friend remove her season pass from her jacket, and inform her that she would have to come to patrol base and talk with a supervisor about whether or not she could get it back. It was November when this happened. She did get it back, but not before she got a lesson on the Responsibility Code.

 

I made the hit and run guy wait for patrol to show up. Once again, patrol took good care of him.

 

The kid who couldn't spin to save his life... I waited for one of his friends to tell me how sick my line was. Then I handed the kid a card and told him he could book me for a private lesson if he wanted. I had the pleasure of listening to his friends bust on him repeatedly throughout the day as they were sessioning the pipe at the same time I was.

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I think in practical usage on this board, "gaper" means "anyone who ever rubbed me the wrong way while skiing or in a ski lodge/vicinity."

 

I see a lot of evaluations of "gapers" that seem to me to probably be based on one overheard sentence or a brief glimpse. I don't want to call anybody out because any given example could have more info behind it than it appears, but I doubt they all do. For example, a few posts back, someone mentioned a dad yelling for his kid to ski straight down instead of turning. Without judging that specific example (maybe the person who posted it saw context they didn't describe), but if you see 50 examples like that posted here, you know that in some of them, the dad is just impatient and is trying to get his kid to be more confident or whatnot and sometimes that's exactly what's called for.

 

To me, the people who are annoying are - like in other areas of life - people who don't observe rules of courtesy and make poor choices that affect others. For example, in 2009, I was going down a moderate Breck blue with my niece and nephew for their first time, they'd done a super-easy blue once or twice, but this one was a lot harder, it was their first time skiing while it was snowing - net result is they were nervous and going sort of slow, but we were staying out of other people's way. Where trails diverged, we stopped unobtrusively on the side of a very wide area so we could talk about which way to do down, and while we were there, a snowboarder turned near us and in doing so sprayed powder on our group. Was it an accident? Dunno, but it was either rude if he knew it would happen, or he was in over his head if he didn't. Not that big a deal, it didn't ruin anybody's day, but people do need to respect others, regardless of skill level. For all I know, he was the next Shaun White, so "gaper" as people use it here may not be accurate, but he bugged me a lot more than some first-timer on 150cm K2s stepping on my skis in the lift line, that's part of the game.

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Originally Posted by supergaper View Post

This thread begs the question;  what is a Super Gaper?

 

I like a particular high speed lift that transports me 4139 vertical feet in 10 minutes with 99 other gapers.

 

I usually ski 2-4 hours a day, though 120 days a season.

 

I think those two things qualify me as a Super Gaper.

 

 

 

BTW, what is a JONG?

Supergaper.   I assume that is you in your profile picture?  Nice/Nice Line for a supergaper.

 

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 That's one reason I like skiing in Canada. Places like Whitewater, Fernie and Red Mountain give you the basics for a basic price.



Ermm have you seen day ticket prices at Fernie?

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...High speed lifts -- I've never known a skier, regardless of ability, who didn't prefer getting up the mountain faster. ...

 

You don't know me.  Got skins?  Skins=slower.

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You don't know me.  Got skins?  Skins=slower.


Bob -- OK, yep, I stand corrected, some skiers DO like slower lifts.   Me, the faster the better -- more time skiing.  But, hey, different strokes, etc.    

post #56 of 56

This is how I define a gaper also. If you are obvious to your surrounding and that your actions may effect other people, then you are a gaper. 
 

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With regard to resorts:

Gapers to me are those that stand in front blocking the entrance to the lift line maze at the bottom of a lift.   They are the ones who go to the steepest above treeline bowls on a powder day in a big group and then essentially lay a giant diagonal ski cut across fresh powder and screw up everyone's untracked line from the top.  Those that create dangerous situations for others and don't look out for themselves properly.  Snowboarders edging down a powder run scraping away massive amounts of powder.   All about them.   Careless, senseless people not defined by their ski clothes or abilities.  Selfish douchebags in general.    People who generally don't think about others, only themselves and their good time.  

 

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