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The morning after – requiem

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Woozler,

 

It is really one hot summer and many of us here crave for some snow action (I am one of them for sure). You do sound like an experienced skier (an expert , dare I say). I for one do appreciate your continuous effort to defend what you believe is right.

 

I  also do appreciate the way you express your thoughts, in detail, and pretty vivid. But there is no point in giving ultimatums to this community about your leaving or staying here.  It should be totally at your discretion, as most of us really don't care who is in and who is out.  There will always be someone else around to disagree with, and to who to throw a little flame at, when the time is right . It happens all the time to almost everyone here, especially during these hot August days.

 

If my short comment about the picture offended you in any way, I do apologize.

 

 

post #152 of 163

4ster ... thx .. but it is really me - see post note. 

But trying to be clearer while heading toward the door.

 

Think of hockey stop – outside edge of inside skate.

 

On steeps outside edge of uphill has advantages and real drawback.  Advantage it is easier to create a more solid – earlier and more solid (at least for me and any and all less skilled than the truly gifted)  – again like hockey stop. 

 

Disadvantages You are not skiing the mountain, it is skiing you.  It is a totally defensive move.  (As so aptly pointed out by Jackson Hole Instructor your skis are in front of your COM – you can not turn a ski that is down hill from COM.  (You are like a beginner who slides/skids skis in front then catches up to quickly edge set before skidding of into new slide/skid turn.  This is why my better skiing friends ditch me (picking my way and making sure I am safe).  For me, gotta go to OZ and get a heart

 

For slopes where you can comfortably maintain vertical alignment on the uphill edge there are nice benefits.   

 

Set platform early and use this platform for speed control and/or minor balance/realignment.  Start the new turn higher – roll onto new running ski (inside edge) higher for full and rounder carved turns – no skidding.  Faster turns - drop and roll then drive new turning ski around fast.  Show off – pop the tails (set tail edge hard) to rebound while hips have already started to drive around into new turn.  Skis will leave the ground and fly around very fast.  (Especially useful if done under the lift carrying sweet Susie (if you are younger), or a group of NYC Bankers and their instructor (if you are older and more cynical)  Like  me – eat your hearts out bankers.

 

For racing NEVER – setting uphill edge will not only slow you down (I mean it is most like a hockey stop) you will be forced to take wider/longer lines = slower times.

 

Thanks again for support … but problem is really with me (well documented from 3rd grade).   I am really good with white board arguments (it is not me, or you, it is the white board) but very/overly sensitive when directed at me. You are a fraud, a poser, bullshit, etc.    If I had you on home turf (those big glass buildings back east)  I would eat you alive – with pleasure. 

 

BTW (see I am doing it again), this is why better to leave.  Not to mention this post took the better part of an hour to compose

 

thanks again - really

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Sorry, this hot summer really got to me..

 

 

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For racing NEVER – setting uphill edge will not only slow you down (I mean it is most like a hockey stop) you will be forced to take wider/longer lines = slower times.

 

 

 

 


Edited by Forerunner - 8/23/10 at 7:13am
post #154 of 163

...or just rampant tiptoeing through the patties, but out there, for sure. 

 

Those big glass buildings back East that Woozler mentions sound super gnarly, though.  Hella da kine.

 

post #155 of 163

Note from a train

 

ForeRunner -  I am sorry I lost any respect you might have, or any possibility that this thread had any useful value … Flee from here, you troll.  We all know all good racers use both skis – inside edge on outside ski and outside edge on inside ski - like roller blading

 

You are losing faith for the wrong reason – my problems are not that I am troll but rather 1) am a bit of deva (shows through so quickly) as well as b) fickle (started a thread with a position I am not so sure of ... ).

 

What I had originally proposed was the gateway skill to become really good skier was setting and FEATURING (most pressure on, creating a platform on and running on) outside edge inside ski early in the turn.  Early meant at the initiation point of the next turn which means at the bottom of last – start of next turn as the ski(s) move under you back across fall line.

 

But I am not even so sure of this – especially after brief exchange with instructor from Wyoming – who asserted rolling and driving on steeps ("the photo") was better/faster than hockey stop checking.  And he was kind enough to note he could see why I used it on really steep stuff – lack of courage was ok with me.  I thought a lot about this and concluded he was right – but also hid behind the term gateway.  I mean no one is going to roll dive right out of the box on anything so steep you could see the road below between your skis.  But also had to admit I  was going to have to be willing to roll and dive if I ever wanted to good enough my friends did not leave me behind.

 

And I also suspect, when suggested setting/FEATURING pre turns on uphill edge on non threatening slopes and bumps – he would put that in the file labeled porn skiing.  And I can see his point, If his hypothetical daughter brought home a prospective suitor who in a bid to impress him stated he was really pretty good at popping tails and jumping crests of bumps he would cringe – better had she brought home a boarder.

 

But me, I like porn star skiing.  I mean (who cares if it morally degrading) It’s sorta like mean girls in the movie.  The cute girls know their cute and the not so cute ones know their not cute and they also know the cute girls know ... and round and round.  So I decided 50 – 50 is ok.  He frowns on porn star skiing, I like porn star skiing.  And anyway he is a free heeler – probably leads a good life, reads nature magazines and eats granola bars.   And again setting up pre turn on outside/inside extends 

As to racing, I earlier was careful to note that  best racing strategy (I had been taught) was to be 70 – 30 through the turn to maintain a more direct line – the single inside edge of running ski alone had greater potential to skid out as turn tightened. 

 

But having made distinction last post I was referring to initiating new turn (as skis passed under you) as per initial proposal.  To rise and FEATURE outside edge uphill ski was to be avoided. It will slow you down and lead to wider longer lines.

 

But am not all the way there with giving up initial proposal.  I still believe if you are an intermediate or even a pretty advanced skier learning to initiate and FEATURE outside edge is a really good skill to have – quickest way to set up high and roll onto new turning ski to carve really nice (long or short) carved turns.

Best way to setup early/good platform for correcting minor structural lapses. 

 

And really useful for slowing down. 

 

Or even consider going down things that are so steep you can see the road below through the tips of your skis.

 

Also think quickest way to get gold medal in NASTAR. 

 

And ever so fast backing away from any statement as to the test of expert hood; but, have lots of time to think about this as train home now rambles through Western Nebraska.  I really know that any extension of this is crazy ... it is getting so tedious "You guys sure know how to suck the fun out of skiing 

 

But worry not, this is it.  With this email have set up my computer to block any attempted access (by me) to this web page - treats it as virus generating spam (I know about time) and automatically returns any email with daemon notice that target does not exist.  (even more appropriate, sigh I know)

 

But lest you think there may residual angst on my part,  let me assure you if you are ever in Central Indiana do stop and visit.

post #156 of 163

Woozler....  Sorry to hear that you have moved to level land.  As to Porn skiing....  I don't frown on it at all.  I just use different movements now, mostly because they are more efficient and it allows me to ski longer and stronger.  I think the best skier is the one with the biggest smile at the end of the day.  If I had children they could bring home who ever treats them well and makes them happy.  Skiing is a pretty useless skill and I don't judge most people on their skiing skills.  Besides if everyone was an "expert" who would need a lesson from me?  Also I don't read many nature magazines or eat much granola.  I do have a good life though.  I guide trips through Yellowstone, teach skiing at the best mountain in N. America, and have lately started building fly boxes, fishing nets, and other small projects in the shoulder season for additional money.  If anyone needs a hand built drift boat let me know I can do that too.  Someday I might be able to completely quit painting and maybe do some fly fishing guiding.  Life IS good in WY!

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Woozler....  Sorry to hear that you have moved to level land.  As to Porn skiing....  I don't frown on it at all.  I just use different movements now, mostly because they are more efficient and it allows me to ski longer and stronger.  I think the best skier is the one with the biggest smile at the end of the day.  If I had children they could bring home who ever treats them well and makes them happy.  Skiing is a pretty useless skill and I don't judge most people on their skiing skills.  Besides if everyone was an "expert" who would need a lesson from me?  Also I don't read many nature magazines or eat much granola.  I do have a good life though.  I guide trips through Yellowstone, teach skiing at the best mountain in N. America, and have lately started building fly boxes, fishing nets, and other small projects in the shoulder season for additional money.  If anyone needs a hand built drift boat let me know I can do that too.  Someday I might be able to completely quit painting and maybe do some fly fishing guiding.  Life IS good in WY!

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Do you do any BC tours out there?   if so send me a message with the name of the outfit. I do at least one travel ski trip a year, 

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An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field. -- Niels Bohr

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Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post

An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field. -- Niels Bohr

 

 

Aug 31, 2010

 

Hi Alpinord:

 

Well the great 20th century physicists Niels Bohr (inventor of the Bohr Model) would know wouldn't he?

 

Think snow,

 

CP
 

post #160 of 163

Just a Note/Opinion.    Thankyou  4ster and Tetonpowderjunkie  for your input that was civil,accurate and interesting.  Refreshing in the summer of 2010.  Pretty cool here now 61 degrees - could it be an early winter ?

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I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["expert skier"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it.

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I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["expert skier"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it.


Kinda like pornography?

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Kinda like pornography?


Exactly.

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