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post #61 of 67
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Heh, I know a guy who's an absolute rock solid expert skier (30 plus years at Snowbowl will do that to you), and a couple years ago (before he returned to instructing and got access to proforms) he was skiing in boots from Goodwill, rear entry comfort boots, and skiing in those marshmellows he skied exactly the same as he does now that he skis in Krypton Pros.

 

He used to love telling people how he payed $2.99 for his boots and how comfortable the were. I think he upgraded to look sharp for the ladies in his lessons, or he'd still be in a pair of womens' Salomon rear entries.


Maybe that says something about the Kryptons? (better put in a smilie) 

post #62 of 67

Woozler, why don't you post a skiing video to show us all your skills?

 

 

Johnny

post #63 of 67
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Originally Posted by Bob Barnes View Post

 

 

 

Yes, and apparently also with 

 

Woosler--you must be very, very short!

 

And while you seem to believe that you are superior to everyone else out there, you are demonstrably wrong about a few other things as well. Normally, I wouldn't really care, but when someone comes into the forums here with an attitude like yours, even a few little "wrongs" can let all the air out of your puffed-up balloon pretty quickly.

 

For example, zeppa angle is indeed a critical adjustment in boot setup, as you suggest. Primarily, it affects the angle of the ankle, as raising the heel effectively "opens" the ankle--particularly useful for those who, like you, suffer from limited range of dorsiflexion. But yours is a critical, albeit common, misunderstanding to suggest that zeppa angle directly moves your balance--or even your hips--fore and aft. You state that "Every degree rise [of the heel] 'swings/arcs' hips around 1 degree forward." No, it simply makes you taller--while "opening" (reducing the degree of dorsiflexion of) the ankle. That's why all those Rockettes you mentioned don't just fall over in those high heels! What you suggest would be true if, and only if, all of the fore-aft joints from the ankle up were fused like a marble statue, so that tipping your foot forward would in fact move your hips and everything else forward. But raising the zeppa heel does not necessarily even affect your shin angle, much less the angles of the knees and other joints above. Indeed, even increasing the "delta" angle, by raising the heel of the entire boot, would not necessarily cause the effect you describe. It would increase the forward angle of your shins, moving your knees forward. But your hips would not have to move forward as well--all you have to do is bend your knees a little more and perhaps extend your hips and spine (more upright) a little more, returning your balance point to center. And this is, in fact, what usually happens when someone has too much forward lean in their boots--whether due to too much cuff angle, too much delta angle, very large calves, or any other reason--they adopt a classic representative stance of upright spine, highly flexed knees, and aggressive forward shin angle.

 

Other factual errors include your suggestion that Aspen initiated the requirement of a Nastar qualification for instructor certification. As has been pointed out, that is a requirement of PSIA-RM, and Aspen instructors, like all others in the Rocky Mountain Division, must comply. 

 

Furthermore, Aspen has plenty of instructors who excel in bumps--some competitively--as well as tai chi, racing, park and pipe, powder, extreme skiing, and every other aspect of the sport. Not all do, of course, and you certainly cannot ascertain an instructor's skiing or athletic ability by watching him or her teach beginner and intermediate skiers--the staples of most instructors' existence.

 

In any case, these topics have been thoroughly discussed here in the past, particularly in the bootfitters' forum, where you'll find some of the industry's top experts. It is not my intent to argue them further here. I merely want to demonstrate to you that, um, your slip is showing. Please knock off the puffery and come down to earth, where you may well have something worthwhile to contribute.

 

Best regards,

Bob


good points, well made

post #64 of 67
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Originally Posted by johnnysdg View Post

Woozler, why don't you post a skiing video to show us all your skills?

 

 

Johnny



I've made a call before for the institution of the immediate video challenge on this forum. Anyone can call for a video challenge and the person called out has to produce video documentation of their claim. Of course we're mostly short of video, big problem, so..... photo challenge?

post #65 of 67
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“Give me three steps mister, just three steps toward the door … “

    that great skiing legend Lynyrd Skynyrd

 

Guys, let it go .. but since the issue has become moi to the point of admonishing and public challenge (skis at high noon) several hopefully (it has been a mistake TRULY) final defenses at jabs.

 

“even a few little "wrongs" can let all the air out of your puffed-up balloon pretty quickly. … You state that "Every degree rise [of the heel] 'swings/arcs' hips around 1 degree forward." No, it simply makes you taller.”

 

Ouch - How incisive and chastising, but also OMG while pontifical your observation is simply and fundamentally untrue !!! … wanta try an experiment.  Stand on the kitchen floor with bare feet and hold onto the counter (sideways) for slight support.  Now while standing erect drop your center (while on flat feet) and the fall line will be directly vertical.  Now raise up somewhat on your toes and drop your center (like a tennis player getting ready to return a serve) – the effect is to make you shorter and moves your hips forward – stand back up so feet are flat and notice you get taller and the hips move back.  The forward lower stance is the natural “flight or flight posture” – ready to generate energy from the ground and able to move in any direction.  Again, why did Ginger Rogers dance in heels and partner Fred on the balls of his feet with heels raised and center lowered?

 

“…Furthermore, Aspen has plenty of instructors who excel in bumps …”

 

Not many and most of them find a way to get to Highlands where there is little chance of walk in lessons – and they can spend time skiing with Katy Fry and video tape discussions later. 

 

Further excel or not, this does not stop the vast (read vast, vast) number of instructors from taking a “client” who is skiing in 20 plus year old Solomon SX90 super stiff rear entry that are 2 sizes to big and charging them (don’t know current prices, perhaps the better part of $1,000) for a day’s lesson. (Aside why do they not make rear entry boots anymore - what was/is the very limiting design flaw?)

 

Finally a request for those protectors of the guild (moderators), shut down this thread.  I am sorry – will never do it again.  I promise this is my last post - under threat of double dog dare consequences.  I truly understand the folly of my uninvited commentaries. My grandmother’s earliest advise “.. that mouth of yours will certainly not make you friends.   I mean, when I was trapped with the Yuppies in the tall buildings with glass windows (before escaping) I never went to a party where I was invited back.

 

So what now - punishment for my transgressions is assured... off to Yoga lesson and humiliation - hide in the corner hoping to avoid the notice of "the girls" whose idea of touching the floor is let their heads fall to the top of their feet while my best is with super effort barely touch the top of my ankle bones.  And if that is not enough, try to hold a "downward facing dog" for over a minute.  And these are merely the warming up postures.

post #66 of 67

Everybody loves everybody. But seriously, in case you aren't finding it via the forums list:

 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/list/73

post #67 of 67
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Finally a request for those protectors of the guild (moderators), shut down this thread.  I am sorry – will never do it again.  I promise this is my last post - under threat of double dog dare consequences

Shutting down the thread is probably the most constructive and intelligent thing you have said in any of your posts. 

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