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"hello, can you teach me to ski better?"

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
will be in park city first week of march, keystone area early april. somewhere in here i am going to take a (group)(SMALL group, i hope) lesson. for all intents and purposes it will be my second lesson, the first being my first day of skiing a few years ago. i am estimating myself to be a level "7" skier, certainly no higher.
this will sound stupid/paranoid, but i REALLY don't want to get into a class not right for me. i know there's no way to predict the "personality" factor, but i'd like to know from you instructors how best i could help YOU to put me in the right class.
for instance, i need work in powder but maybe there's no powder there that day. besides that, i know my short-turn needs WORK, and this seems something that'll translate to powder anyway, at least somewhat. is it sufficient to go to whomever, say "hi, i'm ryan. i'm a level 7 skier who'd like to be in a smallish group and working on stuff - short turns on steeper terrain? - that might help me in powder"? i want to be specific so the class will be specific.
i plead naivete. also, yes, it occurred to me that the instructor might take one look at me on an easy blue cruiser and decide that i need something else, something more fundamental. my worry is the response, "ah, 'nother intermediate. stick him in x's intermediate class."
post #2 of 15
My Suggestion, Spring for the private. If you have a buddy or 2 that ski at the same level take a private together. you and 3 friends make it close to the same price as a group lesson and you can get a great instructor at your level. I would suggest Lyle Stewart at the Canyons. I'm sure there are plenty more that will come up. If you call the canyons (do it early long before you go) and request a private lesson for x amount of people 2 hrs. or however long you want to go. 1-2 people there is 170 for 2 hrs. 3-5 people is 185 and you can request a specific instructor so if you get to 4 people its about the same as a group lesson if you get to 5 it's cheaper! I suggest you ask for a time later than 9:00 (9:30 maybe) this will get you on the slope skiing instead of riding the gondola with the instructor on part of your 2 hours. or take an afternoon class
If you go elsewhere, definately ask for a level III cert or examiner if possible.

Other suggestions is go to the resort and see if they have targeted clinics, IE 2 hour clinic on powder or bumps. Alta has shorter clinics for level 6 7 8 in specific areas. I think some of the other resorts do the same.<FONT size="1">

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post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
DCHAN, thanks. was considering that option. i'll have a cousin along who skis pretty much with me, and it could be my birthday gift to him. what'll get in the way of THAT, though, is that he's bringing a friend along who's basically a beginner and i don't know that he'll want to leave him alone for a chunk of the day. (he'll see it as "host etiquette," i think.) i like your idea though. might end up looking into that in colorado, split the cost with my girlfriend's brother-in-law. all i know is that there WILL be a lesson of SOME kind in there.
post #4 of 15
Suggest to your cousin that his friend might benefit from a lesson and put him in a group lesson at the same time. Maybe the 2 of you could give the "beginner" a lesson as a gift and then the 2 of you get your lesson. When you say beginner, what level are you talking about?
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 

YES. that's what i am very close to suggesting, as he NEEDS and, i think, would really enjoy (and, more importantly, benefit from) a lesson. i've dropped HEAVY clues but just don't want to push too much.
anyway (neither have EVER had a lesson, by the way), the "beginner" does the annual three-day trip, this being his third (my cousin's fourth), and "learned" on ice in taos. he knows the old survival plow. last year at heavenly i had gotten him used to the idea, and effect, of tipping, edging, etc., and he had begun to approach something much closer to parallel. but you know darn well, that first day in park city, it's right back to the survival skills. more specifically, he's getting a clue on the greens, employing fundamentals, but as soon as the blues are in his face, he's ingraining horrible habits, like "just get through it" skiing. (my cousin - HIS "friend," hmmm - just gets a kick out of it and seems unable to see that just because HE has picked it up quick doesn't mean everyone else can/will. (and while my cousin's "natural" ability helps him cruise and make big turns on the blues, anything ELSE has his "technique" vanish. (he doesn't "like moguls" for instance, for the same reason most folks don't: he hasn't learned to ski them and is ready, i think, to sit on what's comfortable.
the point of all this is that this is going to be an annual thing and just as i want to get better, they're going to have to make SOME effort to improve, too, in order to keep up so we CAN all ski together.
post #6 of 15
Ryan, once you select the instructor and tell him/her what you would like to work on be open to what he/she might suggest after watching you ski. Example; someone wants a bump lesson but they can't make short radius turns and their hands are down and back. They need some work on easier non-bump terrain to solve those issues before they can improve in the bumps.
Whatever the instructor tells you to work on (ask if they don't) write it down and make sure you understand what he/she is telling you. I would also ask the instructor for some exercises or a progression (look in Bob's book) to achieve your goals.
post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 

absolutely. i am fully ready to be broken down and picked apart. (also, i'm the kind of "student" who might ask a lot of questions. i think some instructors are okay with this - IF they deem the questions as applicable - while others...not so much. ) anyway, i AM open to the corrections.


i just left a voicemail for my cousin, strongly encouraging him to consider a lesson day with me, and suggesting same to his friend. the first day in utah WOULD be optimum, of course, allowing for three days of post-lesson skiing there and then more fine-tuning in colorado.
post #8 of 15
If you decide on the Canyons and Lyle is not avail, ask to speak to Barry Scott, He is the assistant director there and have him set you up with another level III. A unique/nice thing I found at the Canyons is that almost all the lifts serve green-black or double black runs so if you are going to ski with someone that is not at the same level you can still stay pretty much together. Most of the other resorts I have been to have a few lifts like this but not a majority of the lifts. You will enjoy park city if you have not been there before.
post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 

thanks again, ESPECIALLY for the specifics. yes, park city has been an annual thing for...well, this is the fifth time. always ski pc, dv, with a trip to alta thrown in. have yet to visit the canyons.
post #10 of 15
When are you going to UT again?

Duhhh. you posted that. never mind...
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[This message has been edited by dchan (edited February 15, 2001).]</FONT>
post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 

specifically, ARR 2/28. Will night-ski Park City that evening. LV 3/4 (after breakfast). So, 3-plus days. Enjoy YOUR stay at Alta.
post #12 of 15
Bob B, I would like to order your Ski Teacher's Pocket Guide through you. How do I contact you outside this forum?<FONT size="1">

[This message has been edited by Lucky (edited February 16, 2001).]</FONT>
post #13 of 15
Jim, I had a similar experience with a private lesson. I asked the girl how long she had been skiing and her mom replied 6 years. I thought great, and headed for a blue/green area. Two hours later when I finally got her back to the base area I learned her six years were a couple of times a year of cross-country skiing (no telemark.)
I never made that mistake again.
post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 

Much thanks. As it turns out, after a brief chat with my cousin, the lesson will be in Colorado; and, after more thought, I WILL go 'head and spring for the private. What the hell. It's for ME, anyway.

Thanks, folks.
post #15 of 15
I work at Eldora which is a small resort near Boulder. I'm proud of my peers and feel we have a good core of teachers from all over the US and Europe. Read the article about Eldora in the February issue of Ski magazine. I'm sure Bob Barnes will vouch for the variety of terrain that it offers.

My point is as follows. We are small and a majority of Mondays and Tuesdays the place is deserted. Most group lessons will turn into private lessons. You simply need to go to the ski school desk and discuss your goals with a supervisor. You could also call early or late in the day and talk to a supervisor. We are a small staff and a very friendly place. We try to be a little different. Let me know if I can be of any other help.
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