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best tool for DIY 1° base bevel, 2° edge bevel.

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

The title states my needs. Being a base and edge tool jong, I have no idea would will work the best. I have looked at a few tools on sponsor sites and still would really appreciate a recommendation.

Thanks

post #2 of 10

Check out the equipment reviews on a site called www.skituning101.com

post #3 of 10

Well, I find the SVST stuff *  top notch but the "best" tool depends upon other things.  For example, do you have a workbench?  How perfect do you need your edges, i.e. do you need a 5 stone progression for racing on the World Cup or are you skiing powder all day long?  Do you want the convenience of a multi-tool or the precision and cost of industrial grade edge tools?  

 

I asked similar questions several years ago and found the better shops (EPIC SKI sponsors)  to be most helpful.  In addition, they will likely have the inventory of what you will need.

 

* http://www.svst.com/svst1.aspx?Category=664e9b03-ed24-4df7-a006-98a2d7a693a1 


Edited by quant2325 - 7/21/10 at 11:23am
post #4 of 10

I'm a big fan of fixed angle guides for side bevel. 

I leave the bases alone.

You will also likely need at least one file and some stones, but I'm still undecided about what's better or worse than anything else in that department.

post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 

Yep, I was thinking the fixed angle SVST tools looked like the ticket, but do I need the 5 pack of 100cm stones for $145 or would three 70cm stones work? I am no racer, but I do like sharp edges when I end up on groomed snow. So which stones should I get?

Ghost, no need to do the base angle to get a good edge? I mean the base guide is about $30, so big deal if your spending $100+ on the edge guide and a few diamond stones and which brand do you recommend for the diamond stones?

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Originally Posted by liv2 ski View Post

Yep, I was thinking the fixed angle SVST tools looked like the ticket, but do I need the 5 pack of 100cm stones for $145 or would three 70cm stones work? I am no racer, but I do like sharp edges when I end up on groomed snow. So which stones should I get?

Ghost, no need to do the base angle to get a good edge? I mean the base guide is about $30, so big deal if your spending $100+ on the edge guide and a few diamond stones and which brand do you recommend for the diamond stones?



I'm no Ghost, but IMO DMT and SWIX are perfectly fine, and Moonflex is probably the best. For one or two sets of skis the smaller stones will be OK, although I bought the big ones for ease of use in the guides.   Avoid the cheap stones from China sold off eBay.  A friend bought a few of the cheap ones to hone his knives and says he can't tell one grit from another (they aren't good).  Three or four stones is plenty (up to 600 or 800 grit will give you a very sharp edge).  I'd get an Arkansas stone for those burrs that come up from time-to-time, and a gummi .  Use a 50-50 mix of denatured alcohol and H2O to wet the stones.  I use a file when initially changing side angels first, but come to think of it that hasn't happened in a while (been keeping the factory angles).   Some people like to mess with the base angle and some don't.  It is easy to file too much (bleeding over the edge into the base), so be extra careful. 

post #7 of 10

I get an expensive "race tune" which includes getting the base and side angle set and sharp and the bases ground in a professional shop, and then just sharpen the sides until it's time for another base grind. 

 

I have found that a file is required every now and then as the stones just didn't seem to give me a sharp enough edge after a dozen or so sharpenings.  Maybe a file needs to be used every 10th sharpening; maybe I need new stones

post #8 of 10

Do you have a true bar? Without flat bases, precision is a crap shoot.

 

Also, you need to deal with the sidewalls. Otherwise, the stones/diamonds cannot make contact properly with the side edge.

 

The SVST side beveler and a 3° shim allows you both a reliable and easy sidewall removal capability and side edge tuning.

 

If by 'best', you mean money is not a consideration, a Toko or SVST dedicated base beveler are excellent options.


Edited by Alpinord - 7/22/10 at 6:14am
post #9 of 10


Alpinord,

 

I bought some stuff from you in the past including a true bar.  It cost me $ becasue I got a base grind when the true bar made me realized few bases come perfectly flat, but at least I know my skis are performing about as good as they can (a better skier would probably help).  In fact, I returned a pair of skis I bought for one of my kids last year when the tune bar "proved" severe concavity.  Someone in your shop was very helpful to me when I ordered in the past...thanks! 

 

FWIW, only my Stockli FIS and Laser SC came perfectly flat "off the rack", and the FIS model isn't exactly "off the rack".  All our other skis (including a Stormrider TT, K2, Dynastar, etc.) have some small degree of convexity or concavity in the bases.  It seems cap skis have crappier bases (the kid skis are all capped), and straight sidewalled skis are better.
 

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Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post

Do you have a true bar? Without flat bases, precision is a crap shoot.

 

Also, you need to deal with the sidewalls. Otherwise, the stones/diamonds cannot make contact properly with the side edge.

 

The SVST side beveler and a 3° shim allows you both a reliable and easy sidewall removal capability and side edge tuning.

 

If by 'best', you mean money is not a consideration, a Toko or SVST dedicated base beveler are excellent options.

post #10 of 10

in addition to the SVST side file guides have a look at the Cold River MFG stainless file guides - these are super high quality and have some pretty unique features - there's also a +/- 1 degree schim that will give great flexiblity

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