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My mostly stockli quiver is complete!!!

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 

Man, I'm stoked! Can't wait for the snow.

 

My quiver additions for next season......

 

Stockli VXL w/tyrolia Carve plate and Peak 15 bindings

Stockli Laser SC with vist WC Race plate and Freeflex 15 bindings

Stockli Scott Scmidt Pro (101 waist) undecided on bindings but will probably be peaks. (I'm open to suggestions so lets here 'em)

 

Returning.......

Fischer WC GS Skis and Elan SL skis.

 

I love stocklis but my Fischer GS ski are just awesome plus fischers come with a plate.

I'm not really a SL guy so the Elan's serve me well.

post #2 of 25

 

Dood.   I heart Elan for a number of reasons, but you need to get yourself on some Laser SLs.

post #3 of 25
Thread Starter 

I'm not really a slalom guy. Maybe 2 or 3 races per year and only because there is a GS the same weekend.

 

I race mostly GS and I love my fischers.

 

If I was going to get more into it I would get the Laser SL's.

post #4 of 25

 

So... how do you like the Vixels?

post #5 of 25
Thread Starter 

What do you mean by Vixels?

 

Johnny

post #6 of 25

VXLs

 

just like pixels...only more victorious.

post #7 of 25
Thread Starter 

I'll let you know next season. Never skied them. I skied the original Schmidt last year and these are supposed to be a less stiff schmidt.

 

I can tell you that the Laser SC and Scot Schmidt Pro are awesome skis. I find the Schmidt Pro (101mm waist) skis better than the original.

 

Johnny

post #8 of 25
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post

 

Dood.   I heart Elan for a number of reasons, but you need to get yourself on some Laser SLs.

OK, would value your thoughts on a variant of this. I sold my much beloved Head SS's this spring, am thinking on either Laser SL/SC's, or Elan SLX/SL Waveflex's. Have skied SC's, have not skied SL's or either of the Elans. Slot is not for racing (have that covered), but for smaller NE mountain ice days, some training, some pure rec. Thanks.
 

post #9 of 25
Thread Starter 

Beyond, for the purposes you mentioned the Laser SC is the way to go. Unless you just NEED to have race skis the SL will not be as much fun.

 

I like the Elan but not nearly as much a Stockli's

 

Johnny

post #10 of 25

The old blue SL was my favorite ski .... they were mens legal 155 back then.

post #11 of 25

Johnnysdg,

 

I also have the Laser SC, and it is my go to morning ski for those frozen over days in the spring and anytime there is icy kind of snow.  It is the about the narrowest ski on the slopes, too.

 

If you ever tire of the Fischers, I'm thinking of selling my FIS Laser GS (tuned 0.5/3.0).    It has a bit more titinal than the regular Laser GS , and is great at only one speed: too fast.

post #12 of 25
Thread Starter 

I wanted a good front side carver and something for those icy east coast slopes like whiteface. My daughter is 6 and she is starting to really enjoy skiing so I wanted something to use when I ski with her.

 

It funny, before I started skiing with her I never realized how much I lacked recreational skis. My quiver was just race skis and bomber GS type skis.

post #13 of 25

The SC was my favorite all around ski but on those icy days with our narrow trails the SL's seemed best.

 

I always thought too, that I was getting more turns ... on our short face with a long and boring run out .. more bang or turns for the buck.

 

It was hard to choose between them and the old Stormriders were great for ungroomed pile or sugar busting.
 

post #14 of 25
Thread Starter 

I understand where you are coming from Yuki. I live 15 minutes from mountain creek in NJ and 1 hour from the poconos and I drive 1:45 to hunter. Those short slopes with one drop and all run out just drive me crazy.

 

 

Johnny

post #15 of 25


 

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Originally Posted by beyond View Post



OK, would value your thoughts on a variant of this. I sold my much beloved Head SS's this spring, am thinking on either Laser SL/SC's, or Elan SLX/SL Waveflex's. Have skied SC's, have not skied SL's or either of the Elans. Slot is not for racing (have that covered), but for smaller NE mountain ice days, some training, some pure rec. Thanks.
 

 

Sorry, just saw this.

 

I dislike the Stocklis in 3D terrain, especially frozen sharkteeth, they're ok on whales and great on frozen cat track coral.   Win: Elan.

 

I (strongly) dislike the feel of the Elans on very cold days with great accumulations of manmade snow, when the surface is like a mix of talcum powder and caulk and there is no way to bite through to the solid underlayer.     Win: Stockli   

 

All IMO/HTH.   IIRC you are (a lot) lighter than I am so that second consideration may not apply at all.
 

post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post



OK, would value your thoughts on a variant of this. I sold my much beloved Head SS's this spring, am thinking on either Laser SL/SC's, or Elan SLX/SL Waveflex's. Have skied SC's, have not skied SL's or either of the Elans. Slot is not for racing (have that covered), but for smaller NE mountain ice days, some training, some pure rec. Thanks.
 


Kastle RX SL?

post #17 of 25

Speaking of quiver gaps, which one should I get:

 

Laser SX (120/70/99  17.3mR @ 178cm) or

Laser GS (112/66/94 18.2mR @ 178cm)

 

Current alpine skis are

 

Stockli Laser SC @ 170

Volkl AC3 @ 170 (rock ski)

Stockli Stormrider XXL @ 178

Bizzard Titan Agros @ 180

 

I had the Stockli Stormrider XL @ 174 but sold it to a friend who had been coveting it for a while.  At times I did feel it was a fraction short.

 

The dilema is I want a GS ski for some club racing (nothing serious).  The Laser SC works okay, but is a little skittish on GS style courses.  There are also days when I wish I still had the Stormrider XL, so would the Laser SX cover both (i.e. do GS duty and be a substitute for the Stormrider XL)?  The intention is to put a Vist 10mm Speedlock plates (and Vist 614) on the Laser SC, Laser GS (or SX) and Stormrider XXL to cut down the amount or hardware I take to tthe mountains.

post #18 of 25

Speaking of quiver gaps, you don't have one. At least in the range you're talking about. You might think about a S7 or something with a fun shape and fat waist. 

 

Edit: OK, I should elaborate. IMO you don't have big enough gaps between the XXL and the AC3 and the Stockli to justify another ski. OTOH, if you want a dedicated GS club racing ski, rather than an all-purpose racing ski (the SC), point taken. But I don't see the SX. The GS makes sense, to a point, but since this is club, and you also long for a XL, seems like many I know use cheater GS's in the low 70's that also serve as rec skis. Like the new Blizzard G-force, or a Progressor 9+, Mach 4,  Stockli Cross Pro, the list goes on and on. 


Edited by beyond - 7/23/10 at 4:13pm
post #19 of 25

The AC3 is only kept as a rock ski, otherwise I would have ditched it a while ago.

 

The Stormrider XXL has variously been mounted with Freerides and Dukes, but as I'm going to get a Dynafit setup, it will revert to alpine use (rather than AT/slackcountry).

 

I did like the Stormrider XL (a lot), but at 174cm often felt it could have been a little longer.  Was a good allround ski, but by putting the Vist 614 on the XXL (178), it is probably a great replacement for the XL.

 

Thanks for helping to clarify my thinking.  I'll probably stick to the Laser GS.  I like the Blizzards, but I can get a better deal on the Stockli here.

 

As for something fatter, not really needed here and the Blizzard Titan Agros is my go to ski when I get across the big pond to Tahoe once a year.

post #20 of 25

 

The other thing I'm noticing is that you're almost afraid to venture into 23m+ sidecut world.  

 

Is there a reason for this?

post #21 of 25

Not by design, but the Titan Agros does has a radius of 26m (also had a Legend 8800, which was bomber, but I left that in Kashmir 2 years ago).  Most of my skiing is in the backcountry (I have 3 pairs of AT rigged skis) and biased towards Australian conditions.  My inbounds skiing has become more technically focused i.e. club racing, hence the purchase of the Laser SC and now looking at a GS ski.


Edited by Taxman - 7/24/10 at 6:46pm
post #22 of 25

 

Right, gotcha.   It was the GS ski picks that particularly made me notice, since you say

 

Quote:
I did like the Stormrider XL (a lot), but at 174cm often felt it could have been a little longer.

 

I did wonder if perhaps stepping up to something 180cm+ in a GS ski might be the ticket.    

 

I have no familiarity with Australian conditions, nor Aus. club racing formats, nor your size, all of which might make for  very good reasons to stay on a shorter ski.

post #23 of 25

To clarify:

 

My stats: 183 cm (6') / 92 kg (say 200lbs) / level 8 on the Epic scale (on a good day) / 51 yo (FWIW)

 

Australian skiing -  sort of like the Sierras without the vertical, steeps and powder (or cement) !!!!  Greatest vertical is Thredbo with 670m (from 1365 m to 2035 m) which means a run can start off as dust on crust and progress through sweet corduroy, scraped off boiler plate, softening to mashed potatos and water skiing.

 

Club racing - can get serious, but more akin to beer racing league (at least my racing is). The course is typically 24 GS gates over a 200m vertical.  Usually more time is spent over strategy meetings (i.e. how to knobble the opposition) and red wine; resulting in a last minute race to the start hut badly hungover.

 

Re ski length.  The AC3 @ 170 is definately too short, although I probably weighed 5-10kg less when I bought it.  One instructor I was working with commented that I was push so hard into turns that I was lifting the tail of the ski off the snow.  The AC3 was replaced four years ago by the Stormrider XL @ 174 and I immediately felt more balanced.  The AC3 was relegated to rock ski status and has only been used a dozen times since.  The Stormrider XXL @ 178 cm and The Titan Agros at 180cm both feel right; short enough for short turns in trees and on steep icy pitches, but long enough that I have never felt uncomfortable on them at speed.

 

The longest ski I have recently owned was a Dynastar Legend 8800 @ 188cm.  I only skied it in Kashmir and in wide open Himalayan powder bowls it was bomber.  I left the Legend in Kashmir as a donation to the local guides (and to avoid excess baggage charges on the way home).  Otherwise, the longer ski in my quiver is the GS Baron @ 184cm (Freerides), which is my main AT ski.

 

I know I can get the Laser GS in 178cm, but I'm not sure if I can get it in the 184cm length.  I don't think the 178 would be too short.

post #24 of 25
Thread Starter 

Taxmax, forum member quant has a very lightly used pair of laser GS in 180cm for sale in the gear for sale section.

 

He wants $300 plus shipping. Check out the pics they look perfect.

 

Johnny

post #25 of 25

Saw that, the FIS version.  Probably a little one dimentional for what I want (as well as shipping logistics to Australia).

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