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Ski recommendation for teen daughter?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

She's:

16YO

5' 5" tall

100lbs

Advanced skier.

 

Not a racer, but really knows how to carve a turn.   More of a finesse than a power skier.

Wants to do more moguls.

Wants to do more powder (which really means crud as busy CO resorts track out pretty quickly).

Likes steeps and trees.

Basically stays on groomers just long enough to get from the lift to the ungroomed.

 

Will probably put in 20 - 25 days/yr.  Mostly Breck and A-basin with an occasional Vail, Copper and Monarch thrown in.

 

Thanks for your ideas.

 

 

post #2 of 20

Hi - Welcome to Epic. Two primary recs: 1) Have received lot of good feedback from women friends about the Fischer Koa 84 (female version of Watea). Have tried the Watea, owned several narrower Fischers, suspect similar handling, feel: Light, lively, fairly damp on edge, excellent in softer snow and bumps, OK on hardpack; excellent carver but can be a touch too lively at speed in rough snow IMO. Its float for her will be comparable to a normal male on a high-90's ski.

 

2) Also the Blizzard Cronus is a great all around, used to be unisex (I owned pair; lighter male), now for females but same ski. Light, but not as much as the Fischers, stiffer, so more planted and smooth in crud, equally strong in bumps, better on hard surfaces, almost as good in trees. I skied it at Copper, handled everything from frontside cruisers to back bowls well. Big advantage is the plate, which can be swapped out for another, and you choose the binding, so she could explore AT if she wanted to on a given day. Float will be equivalent to about a 100 mm for males.

 

Lot of women like the various K2's like the Lotta Luv; I cannot love any K2 because of the feel (or more accurately, the lack of feel), but if your daughter likes damper, heavier, do everything skis, there you go. 

 

If she likes to run fast, prefers bigger turns, soft snow emphasis, the Dynastar Legends for women (Exclusive's?) are said to be excellent. They'd eat up crud and chop in Colorado, not so sure about quickness in trees, but I've found male Legends to be fine in bumps.

 

If she were purely aiming at sidebounds and backside, I'd suggest something like a Rossi S7 for women (think it's called the Voodoo 110 or something), but overkill for lift served chop, won't like the ice at Copper or Breck, and a bit wide to love bumps.


Edited by beyond - 7/15/10 at 2:20pm
post #3 of 20

Blizzard Crush demo the 163 and 170...as they ski very short unless in powder.

 

Does everything well but off pistes really well as well as being fun enough to play around and "cool"

post #4 of 20

You want to trade your daughter for a pair of skis?

post #5 of 20

If she carves turns well, but is not a racer, wants to do more moguls, and skis Colorado crud alot...why not the Hart Phi-Nomenal?  It's girly and unique and should be good at all that stuff, except powder, as it's only 66mm underfoot.   If it's good enough for Michelle Roark in teh Olympics...in Moguls no less, it must be good enough for jer daughter. Also if my memory serves me correctly...Michelle Roark is from Colorado isn't she?  Winter Park?

 

 

post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by Betaracer View Post

You want to trade your daughter for a pair of skis?


Nah, he wants to trade his daughter for a ski recommendation. 

 

 

That being said, to the OP, you're getting some good ideas and I'd love to give some advice based on my experience, but I have 40 lbs on her.  

 

I'd say the best thing to do is demo(assuming she has good, fitted boots)

Short list of demo skis includes those mentioned above as well as my personal picks Nordica Nemesis, Line Celebrity 90, Volkl Kenja,  Kastle FX84, or.........

 

Seriously, I skied most everything on my FX 84 last year but if you're looking for something wider, that will handle the front side occasionally, the others are worth a serious look.


Edited by Trekchick - 7/16/10 at 12:35pm
post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 

Thanks to all for the recommendations.  As a longtime skier myself, I know boots are the number 1 prioity so we have to do that first (her current boots are painful).  I also know the importance of demos.  There are some difficulties though--the best way I've found to try a bunch of sticks in one day is the Keystone Demo Days, but early season at Keystone usually means nothing but man-made boilerplate--hardly a variety of conditions in which to truly try a ski.  Otherwise, it's one or two pairs in one place one day, one or two more the next and so on.  By then the season's half over and you're paying full retail rather than grabbing the early season deals.  Also, it's hard to find demos on lesser brands like the Hart, which sounds like it ought to be on the "check it out" list.  Much to do in little time.  Thanks again to all!

post #8 of 20

If you're sincerely interested in checking out Hart, PM Bob Barnes here on EpicSki and he'll be able to hook you up with the right guy for demos in Summit County.

If you're looking to buy, shoot Sierra Jim or Philpug a PM.....Both at Start Haus, who sells Hart Skis.

 

As for demos on the mt, I think there are some places with shop(s) on the mountain that will let you switch out a few times to get a good idea.

 

Either way, I hope you find what you're looking for!


Edited by Trekchick - 7/19/10 at 11:02am
post #9 of 20

2 cents...every gal that I have seen try the Salomon Lady has fallen in love

post #10 of 20


It's no secret that girls fall in love very easily...
 

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2 cents...every gal that I have seen try the Salomon Lady has fallen in love

post #11 of 20

This is true. My girlfriend loves them and makes every female she knows try them. I've heard zero negative feedback. I don't think its the liveliest ski out there, but seems to have almost no drawbacks as a daily driver (I'm basing that assessment on hearsay, obviously). I've heard similar things about the K2 Lotta Love.
 

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2 cents...every gal that I have seen try the Salomon Lady has fallen in love

post #12 of 20

If you check out some of the tags at the side of this page, you'll see some links to product information and/or reviews.

It may be helpful to your search.

Here are a few that show up.

 

post #13 of 20

also I believe it was ski of the year award...or awards...

post #14 of 20

I can't tell you what skis to get only what I did as I went through this last year, with two daughters .  They both love to ski, but really had no interest in selecting skis.  They were more interested in the graphics and "look" than specs.  They're both strong/advanced intermediates.  One is a little bit better, i.e. more aggressive, skier than the other. 

 

13 y.o., 5' 2", 110 lbs - Roxy Bliss @ 154cm; she loves them, the way they look and ski.

 

15 y.o., 5' 4", 110 lbs - Dynastar Exclusive Legends @ 152 cm; she loves hers skis too, the way they look and ski.

 

They both ski trees, moguls and steeps.  Last spring break at Breck while I struggled down Y-chute on Peak 7, the 13 y.o. skied Debbies Alley.  The 15 y.o was ahead of me the whole time, laughing every time I face-planted.  When I caught up to her I blamed my lack of ability on my over sized boots.

 

Good luck.

post #15 of 20

one question would be how long does she (you) wish to keep em?  If she's still growing and it's an interim choice, then it may not be too big an issue if you not demo'ing.  

 

My daughter sounds much (skill weight) as yours, and my wife a few yrs back too though she (mj-wife) may be a bit more aggressive.  Anyhow, the likings from my daughter have been all over the board, she seems to adapt quite well to almost any ski we've rented or bought which i think attests to youth. 

 

She's liked Blizzard Atomics, Elans and now moved onto Head skies.   She just adapts well and as long as i choose a ski for her weight, just ties in well to the ski.  I'ld like her to move a bit up in lenght, but last yr she skied Black Pearl Elan's 144cms (she was 5-1) which have a quite odd 113,70,113 cut but skied Atomic Jr race 8's the prior two yrs, loved both.  She loves the Elans most, but I believe this more the look (all black) than any other factor but looked great on both.  My point being is my daughter has no preconception of what one should ski, rather what she is comfortable on.  This year she'll be on the Head Wild Ones which are a big change at 120,80,106 in a 150cm and much stiffer but knowing her, I am confident she'll simply adapt and proclaim a love for em ... the graphics meet her requirements ... i have little doubt on her skill.  (ok, i really am jealous as i have little natural balance!)

 

my wife, loves her Dynastar Exclusive 11's for their forgiveness and stability.  She has skied many brands but loves these.  Had these for 3 yrs, using older boots and now moving to some Langes that she says when combined with the Elans, make a great combo for her.

 

So, after all the ramblings, my comment is simply this, find a ski sized right and correct for your daughters skilles and chance are, if shes' comfortable with herself, she'll be fine.  I completely agree that the ideal thing is to demo if possible or if used, use a shop that allows a swap. in the Summit area there are a lot of shops with 1-2 yr old stuff you can swap out.   ... boot fit is #1 though  

 

regards,

pete

post #16 of 20

Kids have an unfair advantage skiing :)

 

110 pounds is a lot less for the mountain to pull down ... so a lot less energy or skill is required to regulate speed. I experienced this when the kids in our group started making it down the mountain faster than me this past winter ... since I had to rest sometimes and they didn't ...

 

Based on what I've heard/read, I'd look hard at the Koas, but probably almost any ski mentioned in this thread will work fine if your daughter likes how they look and feel.

post #17 of 20

anything in pink ... hopefully with a sticker that says

"Girls Rock"

post #18 of 20

I'm 16, 5"4 110 lbs

 i love powder/glades/ungroomed trails, not a racer  

im from the canadian west coast so im always up in the rockies

someone said it earlier but i have the salomon lady skis at 161

they are PERFECT your daughter's going to love them, theyre great all over the mountain, they float right over top the powder

theyre nice and fat in the middle, twin tips and they still carve pretty well

plus they look hawwwt

post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by Keith Jordan View Post

Kids have an unfair advantage skiing :)

 

110 pounds is a lot less for the mountain to pull down ... so a lot less energy or skill is required to regulate speed. I experienced this when the kids in our group started making it down the mountain faster than me this past winter ... since I had to rest sometimes and they didn't ...

 

Based on what I've heard/read, I'd look hard at the Koas, but probably almost any ski mentioned in this thread will work fine if your daughter likes how they look and feel.


 

they are in better shape or just better skiers, has very little to do with their weight. Sorry I just find it laughable the excuses people make. Plus sounds like we are talking about 16 year olds who are pretty much adults with out the lazy lifestyles and irrational fears.

 

back on topic I have set up 2 friend  on "The crush" and all I am hearing is how good the ski is at nearly everything in colorado and utah respectively.  Comparing the Lord/Lady to "the one"/"the crush" I think youd be hard presses to find something the salomon skis do better besides be slightly more forgiving.  Maybe the lord design works better for girls due to being lighter but I though its was pretty weak and had like no edge grip compared to "the one" and rossi S3.

 

 

 

 

post #20 of 20

I'm a light weight adult skier and I have the Fischer Maungas, which were the precursor to the Koa 84s and have similar dimensions, but probably a little less stiff.  They are a nice ski and have good edge grip and decent float, just a nice all mountain ski.  I demoed the Salomon Lady last year and really liked it, especially for moguls and powder, although you give up a bit on hardpack.  It's a very confidence inspiring ski, as in you instantly feel like you can ski anything.   I skied the precursur to the Salomon Lady in Big Sky a few years ago, and it also got me much more comfortable skiing steeps and trees.  A slightly wider ski that I also liked was the Head Sweet One (92 inch waist).  Light, snappy, and easy to handle, but more float in the powder.  I've seen some great deals recently on the 2009 and 2010 models of the Sweet One ($269 for demos with bindings, $349 for new flat skis).    Even wider and receiving rave reviews is the Rossignol S110W, but I haven't tried it yet.   One thing to remember is that if she is that light a really heavy or stiff ski may not work as well for her.  I wanted to love the Volkl Auras, but they were just too much ski for me at 115, and your daughter is lighter.  Skis I didn't like were any of the Volkls, the Legends, and the K2's. Out of all the skis I mentioned, I would go for the Salomon Lady for what she likes to do, since it's great in the steeps, moguls, trees, and crud.  Second choice and the budget option would be the Head Sweet One (go for the 2009 or 2011 model, the 2010 is the naked lady graphics). 


Edited by valli - 12/16/10 at 10:36pm
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