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im in need of some help buying my first set of skis

i have been skiing a few times and just recently got back from a week at thredbo in Australia where i hired skis. i have my own boots, salomon foils, and gear but i am looking for some advice on buying skis. i would catagorise my self as intermediate and looking to progress. i am 6 feet 2 and about 95kgs. i want a good all mountain ski and i have been looking at K2 raiders 2010, but without much knowledge so could anyone suggest a ski that would suit me it would be much appreciated


by the way i am unsure whether i want to look into twin tips as i havn't been skiing with them and am unsure how i would be, can anyone shed some light onto that aswell

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I'm mot that knowledgeable on different skis but I can answer a couple things for you.


Twin Tips:


I think there are only two types, 1) twin tips that have a tail that is curled about as much as the tip and 2) faux twin tips (I think the are marketed under all mountain) whose tail is curled up but just enough to claim it.  I've had two pair of the latter and both have worked well for skiing backwards (I do a bit of this as an instructor).  I don't go in the park (unless I'm cutting through) and I don't usually go off jumps whether forward or backward.


The "real" reason to get twin tips is so you can jump and land while skiing backwards.  It also makes skiing backwards more confident.  You can ski backwards without a curled tail (I've done it on my race skis that have a flat tail - a couple times on purpose ).  Conditions, ability and terrain will all very this.


For All Mountain skis, I like having at least a faux twin tip but I wouldn't make it a requirement.  I think most come this way anyway.


Since you're a big guy, that's advancing, I would go for something in the high 170's or low 180's .  The height of the ski should be between your chin and nose to start and then start making adjustments from there.  Twin tips will need to be longer to get the same amount of ski on the snow as faux twin tips and other skis.  You'll also need to adjust up or down in length based on ski design and what you want to ski on.  Then of course there is your style/type of skiing; fast, slow, in the trees, groomers.  I know "all mountain" implies all mountain, but your purchase should be for where you ski the majority of the time and how you ski the majority of the time.


In general, I usually recommend that people buy equipment for where they want to be and not where they are.  Several Manufacturer sites have a "ski selector" that might help you too.


Hope this helps,



post #3 of 8

Actually start with more basic questions regarding the reality of who you are, be honest, what makes you ... you?


Cosmic huh? 


Actually, we use "Kings English" here and don't measure in stone and stuff ... .... but by the above, what I mean is quite serious when shelling out a bunch of pound notes, quid, or whatever.


First is how many times do you plan to use these skis?  Be real; a lot of guys talk like they are totally involved and then shell out $1,000 for gear that collects dust.  Do you have a habit of doing that.


Where do you want to be .. in say .... three years (based on above) ... ?  That will depend on what shape you are in and your general ability in most sports.  It sounds like you did quite well so ....


What kind of conditions / hills will you ski?  Each region will have "typical" conditions and the skis all perform quite differently.  I know the Alta ads promise endless days of powder and all that but ... where will you be?


There is a method to my madness.  I assume you are from NZ? (a belated ANZAC salute if you are).  If you are only a holiday ski type and you are going to ... or have to .... travel to the snow, it may behoove you to lease/hire for the week.  Consider just buying a great fitting boot and use that as a base for all future endeavors.  Example ... I used to ski the east .. lots of powder ... just kidding .. all slush and ice with emphasis on the ice.  Up at Stowe we were getting an unexpected powder dump, so I hired some very up-scale (LaCroix), powder skis.  Good move cause I could never justify that much $$ back then.


And you are lugging a lot of gear traveling.  Many areas have shops close to the hill that will rent upper end .. once I rented Stockli ... and will not be chasing every change in color, top sheet, and sidecut or change in flex.


Let me dial this in one last time.  If you are good, and start developing rapidly, you may out grow the ski in a season or two.  What is good for you today .... depending on how many times (of Brit stock I'm sure you are taking lessons?) ..... you go.  A shop will be more than happy to put you on beginner or low intermediate sticks that are fine for right now but that will change.


Have we mentioned boots?    More than just "gimme' a 10 anna half, I'm always a 10 and a half.. skinny upper, lot of arch ...here BRAND (to a larger point than you figure) ... you will need to start thinking of volume and flex.  Tight is your friend, and loose can put you in the trees.  Tight = GOOD & Loose = BAD ...

post #4 of 8
Thread Starter 

hey guys,

thanks for the help. i am from Australia and i am usually a holiday skier but am looking to maybe travel and work and ski for a season. i think i will be more on the groomed runs in resorts, and more carve down the mountain and hit some occasional jumps no real park stuff

post #5 of 8

I think some degree of twin tip is mandatory.  It just opens up the possibilities of what you CAN do with the ski, should the mood strike..

post #6 of 8
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does anyone then have a suggestion of a good twin tip for someone of my level and size??

post #7 of 8

I still maintain that for the best bang for the buck, you can't go wrong with K2.  They are solid and affordable.  Some of their cheaper twin tips approach the $300 mark too (American), which is a really good retail price for a ski that does everything.  I've never heard of the Raider so I'm wondering if they have different models or names in Australia, but the EXT/Extreme/Silencer etc. skis are all a good ski for the price.   The Extreme is a newer version of the most recent Public Enemy, and the EXT is an updated version of the first generation Public Enemy.  Both good skis.  The Silencer may be your best bet for price and your ability level.  They are soft and easy to maneuver which is good for a newer or less aggressive skier, cheap price, twin tipped, and good enough to progress with you.  The Silencer is an updated version of the old Fujative ski. 


The only downside to the EXT and Silencer, is they are only available at a max length of 179 cm.  At 6'2" you may want longer.  The Extreme is available up to a 184 cm.  (Of note:  I'm 6'5" and have skied all 3 in the 179 cm just fine)

post #8 of 8
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thanx heaps for that, yeh i realy like k2 skis they just look really cool, and i know u shouldnt buy skis just based on graphics but i think it makes it better. ill have a look at those suggestions thanx =)

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