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Wandering/Railing outside ski...Bob B?

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While you guys were "engaged" this a.m. discussing PMTS vs. PSIA I was at A-Basin experimenting. On occasion, I will initiate a long radius turn and find my eventual outside ski railing/wandering outside the initial line of my turn. I know I have too much weight on my inside ski and I know I have moved my hips/cm too far inside the turn and/or onto my soon to become inside ski. I began fooling around with this and either found a cure or merely a band-aid fix. By pushing my eventual outside ski forward as I extend/pressure, I hook the edge much sooner and then can really begin to tip my inside ski, all well before I'm anywhere near the gravity line. I then can get off either edge shortly after ending the control phase of the turn is over, and can start trying to extend and hook the next outside edge. I almost felt like I was trying to have the outside ski out-race the inside ski as I began a turn. It was merely a move of three to six inches. I almost felt a little pressure from the back of my boot cuff. I said A LITTLE!

Am I crazy? Thought I'd give you guys a chance to lay down your arms and help a poor struggling PSIA member. By the way, those mustard colored suits imho are kinda dated. <FONT size="1">

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post #2 of 7
Sounds like you're moving too laterally inside at the beginning of the turn instead of diagonally forward and inside, Rusty Guy. This would put you behind by the time your skis accelerate into the fall line.

I'd think you'd do better if you began tipping the new inside ski FIRST and possibly pulled your new outside ski back to maintain a feel for the shin on the cuff.
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Wow, Bob,
What a great explaination If you remember the how Hip are you thread, I think I was struggling with this. The note from Scott Mathers and the work with Lyle got me going in the right direction but now I think I understand it a lot more. (a few more things just clicked during your explaination) I went through the whole "negative movement" almost popping up the hill as I "stepped onto" the new turning ski to unweight the other ski and start the roll/release down hill. The keeping the toe on the snow but just putting it on edge got the CM movement more fluid and no up as I change feet and then over the top and down the hill. no more banana shaped turns. Unless of course I screw it up. then the over counter in the belly of the turn was next.

Thanks again...
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I have 2 suggestions. One, is, rather than moving the outside ski forward, move the inside ski back. It will keep you much more centered and balanced. Also, it sounds like you may be "banking" a bit too much, causing you to lose pressure on the outside ski. When this happens, it stops bending as much as the inside ski, and therefore, stops turning as much. As a result, it runs away from you. So to cure the cause of the problem, angulate. A good exercise to get the feeling of this, is to drag the outside pole while you are moving through your turns. For some people, this is harder than they think, so you might start out by continually dragging both poles. It needs to be done fairly forcefully to get your shoulders in the right position, so try to dig trenches with your pole tips. Once you get the feeling in your mid section, take the poles out of the ground, but without letting your body change position. This will probably help eliminate the problem. Another problem could be that when you move your CM into the new turn, you move too laterally, and not forward enough, with the direction of the skis. Doing this will often force you to skid more than you want and will make your turns very inconsistant, because moving laterally can work sometimes, but if the surface changes on you, it could throw you off easily.
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Thread Starter 
Thanks to all....I knew if I lay naked,wounded, and exposed with all my ski faults on the battlefield beside me, I might be able to get the confederate and union troops to lay down their arms and come to my aid.

No comments on the mustard uniforms?

Perhaps we can orchestrate a summit at the Basin? Think how long it took to decide on the size and shape of the table in Hanoi. I guess we'd have to settle for a picnic table. I will say, I sat inside at lunch and heard the most obscene language in a song on a radio that I've ever heard. I knew I was getting old. Glad I didn't have to explain the song to my eight year old daughter.

Bob B described his potential garb/equipment and I have the same Elan jacket and skis so don't anyone at the Basin mistake my poor skiing for Bob's excellence. I'm not thin by any stretch of the imagination.

Again, to all, my thanks. I also wish that no one would apologize for being too lengthy, or too technical. It is this sort of discussion that lures me to the site.

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Your description of an edge change iniation into a turn sounds alot like a small wedge cristy, to make that turn even smoother try invisioning your feet and ankles rolling into the next turn simultaniously, this should result in a "cleaner" turn.
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I'd like to suggest that if it is possible to "jump" from edge to edge and remain in control, that this is also a valid method of changing edges...

~Michelle H.
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