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Early Edge Excercise Line / Progression?

post #1 of 8
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I already have several excercises to focus on early edging, but was hoping to hear a few more that could be used on advanced skiers during medium radius turns.
post #2 of 8
Hi Cuckalarch--Welcome to EpicSki!

This could be a good discussion starter, but perhaps you should start off by describing what YOU mean by "early edging." What are your exercises, and what movements are you trying to develop with them? How early is "early"?

I ask these questions because there is a long-standing myth among many instructors that "earlier is always better" when it comes to edge engagement. Earlier edging is good to practice for anyone who tends to engage the edges too late. But it is wrong, of course, for anyone who tends to engage too early!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #3 of 8
C- I too would be interested in what Bob has asked but I will throw a few out there in the mean time.

Crab walk- Love this as it gets people to move AWAY from there outside ski to get edge angle, many people tend to move to the ski. This is done on the flats and from a wedge position pointed straight down the fall line. You focus on flatening the inside ski, so you want to go left focus on flatening the left ski. This will pull the right ski to a higher edge and start a carve to the left.

Ski the side of a dinner plate then ski the side of a bowl. What do you have to do to keep the skis on the rim? Show your top graphics down the hill.
High speed wedge turns down green terrain, take to blue (high level skier)

Stem extend turns. Stem your inside ski up the hill and put down on its inside edge with a bent leg. Now extend that short leg and ride around the carve.

On flat terrain start on a traverse and tip both skis down hill. Look at your track can you leave 2 thin lines curving down the hill or do they smear?

Pair skiers up lead skier draws turns in the snow as they ski with there pole. (nice C shape) Follower needs ski as close to the line as the can and always be on the outside of the arc. So they need to cross the line to get to the outside of the next arc.

Same pairs and line draw this time put a ski on either side of the line and don't touch the line. (edging and active inside leg).

Pivot slips (yes a rotary activity) I don't think you can have good edging skills with out VERY refined rotory skills.

Bob- I am intersted in your comment about people that may edge to early can you expand?

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post #4 of 8
C- I did not answer as to a progression because it becomes so dependent on the students needs at the time. One thing I would add is make sure it all ENDS with skiing!!! Exercises are great to hone skills and give people new sensations and some times take them out of there comfort level but none of it does any good it you don't tie it back to SKIING and end with SKIING!
post #5 of 8
I look at it differently (like an amateur). Edging per say, should be done the same way wheather it is early or late. The progression above is about good edging.

Early edging simply means that you do it early in the turn. Turn shape and sometimes a clean carve will be affected by early edging. You see this in racing all the time: the later the edge engagement, the more likely they will skid the turn.
post #6 of 8
Thread Starter 
Bob, Thanks for the note to clarify what movement(s) I would like t osee changed.

When I refer to "earlier edge" I am talking about the upper 1/3 of the turn. The movement pattern I am trying to improve is increase diagonal movements (instead of vertical) of the hip area (center mass)towards the belly of the new turn.

Vertical movements will tend to put the skiers weight back and creates late (after the fall line) edge engagement resulting in various inefficeint movements to complete the turn. This movement is common amongst the general skiing public (as well as excessive upper body rotary)

Some of my excercises to focus on and have fun is "Leapers", traverse / side slip, skate down the fall line then skate turn entry, "Through the Corridor" - hold pole about mid shaft and parallel to skies - twist (counter) upper body so up hill pole handle/strap is over down hill ski - this should have you countered at about a 10{00 o'clock or 2:00 o'clock position - to initiate your turn move hips through the corridor made by your poles - do this in blue terrain.

Can you share any others?
post #7 of 8
Try a back-door approach. Rather than focusing on the ski that will become the new outside ski, check into rolling the little toe/ankle/knee of the OLD outside ski down the hill to initiate the turn. Given proper stance and balance, the skier should be able to project momentum into the next turn and MAY have no choice but to "find" the "Early edge engagement" they are looking for. Diffent exercises for different folks, but this one works pretty well when it comes to making people think outside pre-concieved ideas. 2 cents.

Spaggy :
post #8 of 8
This exercise was developed during a clinic to allow a skier to actually sense where an early edge should occur and to “feel” when it does take place. The development of the exercise was a challenge thrown out by a past member of the PSIA demo team by one of our education staff members conducting our clinic to see if our group could develop a new simple exercise allowing the skier to start a turn initiation at the earliest possible moment.

The Exercise -
Find protected blue terrain groomed and begin with forward facing and flowing “falling leafs”. Once the falling leafs are flowing as both skis are brought back under the body (which in most instances as the skis come under the skiers body they will move slightly reward) as the skier “moves” to the forward phase of the falling leaf create a turn instead of a falling leaf.

Falling leaf forward, falling leaf reward (skis pull up under or slightly behind the body), and instead of moving the skis forward into the next falling leaf move forward into a turn. The falling leafs should be at a moderate speed which will allow for the forward movement, as the skis start to come out from under the skier, allowing the moderate speed to “carry” the skier into a turn. Do not rush development of a solid falling leaf and or the subsequent movement into the turn initiation. The turn initiation should not require “forcing” in any way and should occur as the feet move directly under the skier.

What we believe we discovered and or felt is the turn initiation occurred when the feet were almost directly under the skier rather than somewhere in the top third of the arc. Working with the exercise more allowed us to actually “feel” the turn initiate at the point where the skis were slightly reward of the body. Obviously you cannot ski this way but it may allow some skiers to discover a feel for early initiation of a turn. Of course some will not sense a feel from this exercise and that is what keeps it interesting.
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