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I am saying he is one guy in large world, and to suggest he speaks on behalf of "racing circles" or what he writes is what all those in "racing circles" think, as you suggest, is simply bogus.    Ask Ligety.

 

What does this mean?

post #332 of 340

While it is fair to disagree with Ron's opinions, it is hard to label that as wrong. Especially when using his prior work to do so. I've always found Ron's work well thought out and he is pretty open about why he reaches conclusions. Considering the amount of time he spent on his new book, I believe he had a good reason to place the information about vaulting where it appears in the new book.

Is vaulting one way of dealing with the VB effect? Is that why we see it included in the section about the VB?

post #333 of 340
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What does this mean?

 

Ligety forced Messr. LeMaster to retract this Ski Racing article http://www.ronlemaster.com/articles/skidding-SR6_TechTalk.pdf because it was divorced from the technical reality of the turns being discussed.  Skidude72 backed LeMaster at the time and asserted that LeMaster had stern words in private with Ligety (mis-identifying Ligety as Steven Nyman at first, and then asserting his correctness other than merely having misidentified the actual athlete involved wink.gif)  Here's a SkiDude72 quote

 

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Ron knowing where his bread is buttered retracted the article, and told Steve [sic] to STFU privately.

 

 

So it is somewhat comical that 72 has flipped positions.  But as the old joke goes, if there are five ski instructors sitting at a table there are at least six opinions ... and all of them are correct.

 

The season after this article, Ligety won the GS title.  To my knowledge, LeMaster has somewhat fewer world cup podiums that Ligety.  He does, however, take pretty pictures.

 

PS if you've read both editions of his  book (The Skier's Edge & Ultimate Skiing), which demo skier do you think gets the "most improved skier" award?  There are some huge differences.

post #334 of 340

It seems pretty obvious to me that they (VB and Vaulting) should be discussed together; they both need to be considered in relation to turn forces, ski pressure and maintaining same. 

 

That doesn't mean they are the same thing.  They are two very different things, that can get together gang up on the unwary skier; their effects are additive.

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Originally Posted by sharpedges View Post

 

Ligety forced Messr. LeMaster to retract this Ski Racing article http://www.ronlemaster.com/articles/skidding-SR6_TechTalk.pdf because it was divorced from the technical reality of the turns being discussed.  Skidude72 backed LeMaster at the time and asserted that LeMaster had stern words in private with Ligety (mis-identifying Ligety as Steven Nyman at first, and then asserting his correctness other than merely having misidentified the actual athlete involved wink.gif)  Here's a SkiDude72 quote

 

 

 

So it is somewhat comical that 72 has flipped positions.  But as the old joke goes, if there are five ski instructors sitting at a table there are at least six opinions ... and all of them are correct.

 

The season after this article, Ligety won the GS title.  To my knowledge, LeMaster has somewhat fewer world cup podiums that Ligety.  He does, however, take pretty pictures.

 

PS if you've read both editions of his  book (The Skier's Edge & Ultimate Skiing), which demo skier do you think gets the "most improved skier" award?  There are some huge differences.

 

Not really,

 

I havent flipped any positoin...my point was simply Ligety is definatley "racing circles" as is Lemaster....so clearly, Lemaster doesnt speak for everyone in "racing circles".

 

 

As for who I backed....well clearly Ted sees things differently now.....biggrin.gif

 

http://vimeo.com/31669124

 

"I dont want to.....but you need to control your speed"

 

 

 

 

 

PS: I love the fact the only thing that the PMTS crowd can get me on, is perhaps referring to the wrong athelete from time to time in this or that.....trivial...biggrin.gificon14.gif  I suppose thou, to give me credit, its a little harder when you look at the whole world and not just 1 guy.  It's a lot easier for you guys where every answer to "who said it? who did it?, who wrote it?, who created it?, who etc etc etc? is always HH  ROTF.gif


Edited by Skidude72 - 5/10/13 at 4:14pm
post #336 of 340
Who said or wrote or created isn't very important to me. Skiing and its technique aren't created ... they are simply allowed by Nature and her laws. HH doesn't struggle against the laws of mechanics as much as most coaches do. For this he gets some respect from me. HH more closely identities the natural control degrees of freedom of this mechanical system than many coaches do. For this intuitive alignment with control theory he gets some more respect from me. In short, he doesn't fight the mountain as much as most skiers and coaches do.

Good skiing is good skiing, whatever the source is. Trouble is, good skiing is vanishingly rare. HH has a world-class knack for developing it in his most dedicated students.

The petty human aspects of skiing generally don't interest me, contrary to your expectation. But I do admit to being amused by the primitive tribal warfare among instructors. Do instructors in the Pacific Northwest still sacrifice young ski instructor maidens to the region's volcanoes at the start of each season?
post #337 of 340
72,

To help you understand me better, in real life I live by the following words of wisdom. They are probably the most insightful thing ever said by a U.S. president.
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It's amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit.
post #338 of 340
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Originally Posted by sharpedges
 Do instructors in the Pacific Northwest still sacrifice young ski instructor maidens to the region's volcanoes at the start of each season?

Well here in Canada we do not have many active Volcanoes near our resorts, so we sacrifice our young ski instructor maidens a little differently. The older ones too!!! They seem to like it.... a lot.... In fact they look forward to it!

post #339 of 340
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Who said or wrote or created isn't very important to me. Skiing and its technique aren't created ... they are simply allowed by Nature and her laws.

Absurd.

Skiing and its technique are 100% an invented activity.

That's like saying flying an airplane and the technique to do so is not created but simply allowed by Nature and her laws. It only took say 100,000 years to create the technique with the same Nature.

Skiiing on the enormous peaks on the Moon in the dust would require a modified, newly created technique under the same laws. Virtual Bump would be still be there.

 

btw, many of the 12 who walked on the Moon were skiers. Probably more, but: Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Gene Cernan, Harrison Schmidt, Alan Bean, Jim Irwin (Moon reminded him of Sun Valleyhttp://www.nasa.gov/exploration/home/17jan_jack.html), Alan Shepard, David Scott

post #340 of 340

That's TeleBuZZ

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