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Off the cuff, Ott?

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
In fitting boots for my wife, she has exactly the problem referenced by Ott:
He spoke "of the Dalbello SGS, they tried to sell the small sizes of the men's boots to women, who have lower calf muscles for the most part, and they cut off circulation even when they were not buckled.
On the pro form we ordered the ladies model, second day delivery after the form was faxed to the supplier. It is an inch lower on the cuff, the cuff is wider and it has a special ladies inner boot."

My wife, Leigh, has exactly this problem with her boots. You spoke of warming the shell and wearing a special inner shell. Could you offer any suggestions on an approach to getting her cuff to fit right or is this "buy new boots and start over time"?
Does the "warming" allow the plastic to reshape out? Could I file down the top of the cuff or am I going off the deep end here. Right now she is going with very loose buckles and no preassure on the strap but still having pain enough to stop and remove her boots at least once on the trip down.
Not good. She did not experiance this while trying them on and nothing was mentioned by the fitter about "lower calf muscles" or what to do about them.
Thanks folks; I hear things on this forum that I have never heard from anyone, anywhere.
post #2 of 16
Ray, does your wife have Dalbello boots? if so go to their web site at www.dalbellosports.com and click on SGS and work your way to the SGS Vario, scroll down to Personalization Features where you will see the"Low contour profile and Macro buckle extension."

Also click on TRUFIT in the text which shows the fitting procedure.

e-mail them for advice.

If you have another make of boot go to www.zipfit.com, an Aspen company,they make custom innerboots for many makes and models of boots, also ask them for advice.

If her boots bother her because of the high plastic in the back some shops can relieve that by using a heat gun or hair dryer and stretching the plastic. Unless you know what you are doing, don't do this at home...

zipfit gives advice on their web site from steaming the boots to micro-waving the inner liner, a little drastic for me.

Of all things in skiing, I (we) have made a religion of fitting boots. When your feet hurt, or you even have to unbuckle your boots for the lunch break, work on them until you get it right which means full support without feeling any pressure points.

Just ask instructors who live in their boots all winter.

post #3 of 16
I have a pair of performance boots. When I am flexing, they feel fine. When I am not, my toes are a bit cramped, and so my toes get a little cold on the lift. Unbuckling them seems to help, but I usually take the boots off after 4 hours to let my toes normalize. I am afraid of giving myself any more room in the boot, because I don't want to sacrifice performance and be sliding around. So I haven't done anything about it. Any comments/suggestions?

Here's the lowdown:

150 lb
Level 7-8 Skier
Lange L10 ACD's
Volkl V30's 183cm

I like GS speed carving on Blue and Black groomers mostly.

post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks Ott,
I'll get right on my homework and see what it takes to get this squared up. She has Solli's not Dalbello boots so I'll try the zip site.
post #5 of 16

Here are some other things to consider: 1) many of the Sollie boots have an alternate mounting point for the top buckles (actually for the piece that the buckle clips into, if this makes any sense) to accomodate wider/lower calves. Look at the inside of the cuff and see if there is a second set of holes. If so, it should be straightforward to remount the cuff buckles. Even if there are no holes you could drill out the existing rivets and re-rivet them to provide more room.

2) If she has space above her feet inside the boots, she could add a full-length lift under her liner to raise the foot and thus raise the calf relative to the top of the boot. Some people use heel lifts for this purpose but it does affect fore-aft balance so use this with caution!

3) I've heard of people cutting out the back of the boot cuff but that's pretty drastic--maybe better to start off again with a boot that fits her better? I don't have any direct experience with this option.<FONT size="1">

[This message has been edited by andrew_tai (edited December 21, 2000).]</FONT>
post #6 of 16
Sounds like you are sliding forward in your boot when you "stand up" either your heel is not locked in or the second buckle from the top is not pulling you back into the heel pocket. If this is not the case and If it is just your big toe, I would have a shop remove a little bit of the front of the liner or "blow out" the shell a touch. A little extra room that far forward in the boot should not affect the skiing much if your footbeds are doing their job. I can wiggle my toes pretty well and yet I don't pronate when I press forward. (Result of a well made orthotic, (superfeet Kork unweighted vacuum fitting)) I can actually just stand on my orthotics, no boots, and flex forward with my knees and my feet don't change shape at all. No splayed toes, no side movement, no rotation of the ankle and no pronation <FONT size="1">

[This message has been edited by dchan (edited December 21, 2000).]</FONT>
post #7 of 16
>>> my toes are a bit cramped,<<<

GF, get that fixed. The toe box should be large enough to freely wiggle the toes. You don't need a very tight boot to get high performance, it should only be snug enough to keep your foot in place and hug your ankle. If you ever slide around in your boot there maybe other things wrong, like size. The downhill racers who use a very tight boot do so only for two minutes.

Boots only fit right when you can put them on at eight in the morning and don't even have to think about them until five p.m. when you come out of the bar. If they are uncomfortable any time in between, get them fixed.

Take lots of time to put your boots on, no wrinkles in the socks, not bunching of the pants stirups, no socks pulling tight at the toes. All that can impede circulation and make your toes cold.

post #8 of 16
Ray, try the Dalbello site anyway, there is a lot of info which may help you. Let us know what happens.

post #9 of 16
Guess that's a good selling point for custom aftermarket liners. I suspect those zipfits for instance don't pack out as much as the Salomon boot liner. I find that I do need to tighten down after a few runs and again maybe after lunch. But I sure don't need to pull out of my boots unless for some reason my socks scoot down and get a wrinkle in them.
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Well I have done a little homework so let me throw this out:
The boots are Salomon 5.0 performa and they have an adjustable cuff...it was all the way up! And this after going to 3 different fitters. I lowered the cuff to the bottom and Leigh says the calf is OK now but her arch was hurting and toes going numb so I removed the footbed put in by the last fitter and the pain is almost gone. The two inside buckles are adjustable but the top and bottom do not have the 'micro' adjust, only the 'teeth'. Leigh is now talking about what hurts instead of 'my feet hurt' so we are heading in the right direction. Still tight on one ankle and both toes. Any suggestions or comments.
I know, I should have looked instead of trusting the 'fitters'.
post #11 of 16
Sounds like you need to find some better fitters. Were the footbeds put in by the fitter custom molded or just off the shelf "ski footbeds"

Did they remove the stock footbeds before adding the new foot beds?
If it's the 2 outer/smaller toes then I would suspect she is pronating and the foot is splaying out as she flexes forward. This would be fixed by using an orthotic as the foot would be "locked" in a neutral position.
Then not buckling down the boot around the middle 2 buckles would be necessary because the foot won't change shape as you pressure or flex forward. You are correct that a good fitter should know how to make the cuff adjustment to fit her better.
Seattle area looks like it has some good fitters http://www.epic-ski.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000646.html
or try
Sam Bennett Ski & Sport
2168 W. Burnside St.
Portland, OR 97210
Phone: 503-226-1305
Ask For: Sam Bennett
post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks Dchan,
The footbeds are 'off the shelf' as the individual claims they solve 90% of fitting problems...yeah, right. I will check out Sam.
post #13 of 16
dchan and Ott,

I spent three days last week blowing out my boots and removing bits of the shell. At this point, the boots are no longer painful, nor are my toes getting numb. As for the cold toes, it may have to do with foot sweat. It seems to be a problem no matter what footwear I have on. I'll try powder, and then maybe go to a foot warmer.

By the way, to celebrate a new job, I am getting custom liners next week. I am really looking forward to this. It should be the ultimate in fit and performance. I'll let you all know what happens after I ski on Wednesday.

GF<FONT size="1">

[This message has been edited by GF (edited January 05, 2001).]</FONT>
post #14 of 16
Hi everybody, we just got back a couple of hours ago, about three days earlier than planned because of lousy conditions at Taos, but more about that later.

While in Taos we both had custom footbeds made by the Boot Doctor at the Taos base, they have five boot fitters and you have to sign in, just like taking a number at the store.

The result was that Ann's Dalbello boots now fit perfectly and are comfortable all day without unbuckling but she still has trouble getting into them, the tongue just doesn't come out far enough without manhandling it.

They charge $135 per person and guarantee them for life, in other words in a couple of years they'd still work on them for free.

Because of our PSIA affiliation we were only charged $90 each.

I had to go back after a couple of hours skiing because of feeling a ridge under my arch, they fixed it and all is OK now.

I had the same fit before with my home made footbed corrections, lots of duct tape, heel lifts secured with salt water taffy, cut-outs for my big toe on the left footbed, etc. It gave the fitters a good laugh while they tore all that out and discarded it.

post #15 of 16
sounds great Ott
Bob Gleason at Boot Doctors I think is the head instructor at Masterfit University. You got the best of the best from what I hear.
My group go work by his partner at Telluride. All were very happy with their work too. easily heads above the Surefoot chain. I'm sure there are some good fitters in the Surefoot group but nothing like getting work done by the instructor of the masters.
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
Welcome back Ott,
Glad to hear you both are fitted up and ready to ski. It is a little disconcerting to hear that the best of the best matched what you were able to do for yourself with tape and taffey. Maybe I should skip the fitters and buy some candy. No, I'm not that good.
Glad your back
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