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post #31 of 43
VK you are so correct in stating that we need to ski with our senses instead of our minds. Using our minds is good for training but once we get on the slope we need to feel.

My 2 cents is. Throw your skipoles away for at least a day in the beginning of every season and when you are learning a new technique or getting used to new skis.
post #32 of 43
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patricks8:
Lm, please observe what is going on here. As the winter olympics approach, you are seeing the frustrations of teachers who wish that they themselves were competing, not having to instruct the likes of enthusiastic students such as yourself.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Geeez... gimme a break -- talk about over-analyzing!
post #33 of 43
Tim_miT made a nice point

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> Vk - when you say ski from your heart, not head, surely there needs to be a lot of theory and study to actually get the knowledge to do the task.
What i mean is, if you had never riden a bike before, and i said to you "just use your heart and you'll be fine", you wouldn't get real far. You would need to learn, practise, and perfect your style and technique before you could just ride along, acting on intinct and feelings alone <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

However, the other side of this is equally true, and I believe that is the point VK was trying to make. Once you have a sufficiently good understanding of the basic technique involved in a sport, once you know the governing principles, can recognize wrong movement patterns and realize when you made a mistake - at that point the mental aspects and 'feel' become much more important.

As I am not even remotely qualified to comment on ski technique, I can only try and put this in perspective giving tennis examples. In tennis, there are a few basic principles - keep your weight forward, keep knees flexed, meet the ball in front, anticipate the next shot, stay balanced and keep moving, keep your body still when making contact - which actually are surprising similar to good skiing .Initially, I would practice them diligently, trying to follow a mental checklist on how to hit a backhand, for example. But once you do that enough, you begin to develop a feel for the game. That may be just a different name for ingraining a pattern in your subconscious, but I think its more than that. You develop court sense, learn your own body's limitations, get muscle memory, and no longer have to 'think through' each stroke. If I concentrate too much on how to serve hard and fast, its liable to fall apart. Instead, if I just 'let go' and trust myself, it just works. Sometimes you're just 'in the zone'.

And with any sport, the ultimate objective is to have fun. Precise technique usually helps achieve that, but its just a means to an end.

As my friend says, 'Forget the capillaries' (and instead focus on the forest)

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ January 10, 2002 04:58 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Defcon ]</font>
post #34 of 43
LM: At the risk of alienation ..... but what the hell....

Look at how you took shots in many of your early posts. The OTHER students were holding YOU back. YOU were the shining star who was always at the TOP. The OTHER student grabbed ME. You work very hard at what you do and most have appreciated that, but on many other occasions you have DISSED some mighty fine people who have offered sincere advice.

If you are not one of the "acknowledged" gods like Todd or BB....... look plain and simple ...... you are existing on the kindness of those others from which you have been gleaning knowledge ...... hard earned knowledge. We all may not be Todds or Bobs but you are not a 97%er ....... they may be, but you are not even close ...... NOR AM I ....... lets not go down that ratings road because we both probably couldn't take the truth.

Regarding VK's friend, as advanced skiers risks are taken and from her posts she was no "newbie" ....... You have not even been CLOSE to that side of the world yet. If I break or tear some part of my body there is no on to blame but ME. I am sure that SHE feels the same way unless she posts otherwise.

Just the fact that you assign such blame is indicative that you are still tethered to your instructors. I would hate to be the instructor that is with you on your first bad encounter ... or one where you get dingged or sprain something ....... and that's right you may be outa commission in the fitness biz for awhile.

And ...... I know LM .... you would never take a lesson with the likes of me, sans pedigree ..... I'll save you the trouble of saying it.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ January 10, 2002 05:11 PM: Message edited 1 time, by yuki ]</font>
post #35 of 43
Patrick from Cambridge, that was the funniest post I have ever read on an Internet forum. Thank you! I am going to save your post, enlarge the type, print it, and put it right in front of my desk.

My ego LOVES this stuff.
post #36 of 43
Defcon -

Sure thing. I can see now that VK was meaning to say that it is better to feel with your heart, AFTER getting all the basics and practise in. I fully agree with this, it's quite logical and a nice piece of advice.
I think that i read the post as saying 'feel with your heart from the very beginning.'
Thankyou for giving me another perspective on the matter.
And if it's not too much to ask, just make one nice turn for me next time you go skiing : ....hope your having a mad season
post #37 of 43
You are all wrong : this thread should be about us so stop talking about yourselves. Me and my drinking buddy just want to be in the Winter Olympics.

Ski with your head? Ski with your heart? Don't be fliipin' stupid ski with your feet.

Us mad? we're bloody crazy.

Frustratingly yours

Dangerous Brian (& Herman Maier)
post #38 of 43
We have a heart, a head and feet so we might as well enjoy skiing with all of it!
post #39 of 43
In all due respect, aren't some of you being a bit hypocritical? You have topics on this forum that analyze every single element of skiing down to its most minute detail, but you criticize a student for being too analytical. :

Particularly amusing is hearing the "don't be so analytical about skiing" rant from nobolono. Has anyone looked at Hyperchangecafe? Define skiing. Define what skiing is not. Define IS. A bit Clintonesque.

BTW, going through the posts in the Health and Fitness forum, I'm still trying to find a post where LM said that physical therapy should hurt you.

Although looking at some of her workout suggestions, I'd feel safer skiing a double black diamond!
post #40 of 43
Lawd, I do get a kick out of all the little emoticons you people find. Just where do you get those things?

I think I got it. AC is actually an agent for the television networks and we are all auditioning for a guest shot on The Jerry Springer Show. Am I right, AC?

I'm ready for my close-up, Mr. DeMille.
post #41 of 43

It appears I have offended you at some time in the past. For that I apologize.

Also, just to set the record straight, I explained that I would not caution ALL my students against analysis paralysis. In another thread I advise using the Army's AAR to help students develop tactical thinking.

Would you like me to dry up and blow away (as should not be too hard for a frustrated, angry, bitter non-contender like myself)? I have other things I can do.


P.S. That "what is skiing" thread actually is pretty darn good. You might try reading it for comprehension instead of condescension.
post #42 of 43
It appears this thread has gone a long way from what I viewed as it's original intent. My first read was VK was trying to get us to step back and stop over analysing ourselves and ski with feeling rather than being too technical. It also seems many people were rubbed the wrong way and members might have taken my first reply to VK as a blanket "right on" for all his comments. I have edited my original post and have to say I'm sorry if the original post hurt or offended anyone.

Please see my post in the Community announcements forum for additional comments and feedback.
post #43 of 43
I do not like the personal attacks that we have been seeing here and in the "Fear & Loathing" thread. What makes these two threads so hard to moderate is that there is a mix of quality advice as well as garbage (personal insults that serve no constructive purpose other than one-upping the person who insulted you). Think about how awesome these threads would have been if they contained ONLY the quality insights and sincere advise, and none of the bickering (this includes both the LM conflict and the seperate SCSA conflict).

In order to prevent this kind of thing in the future, all posters should do the following:

Anytime you are going to address another member specifically, ask yourself "Am I offering sincere advise that he/she is interested in hearing, or not." If "not", then do not post it. It is that simple.

This thread is closed, please do not start another one that is attack-oriented.
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