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Student on ancient equipment.

post #1 of 7
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What do you guys think if a student shows up on equipment that is so old it can't possibly be indemnified (bindings). Is there anything you can or should do? Differences if it's an adult or a child. I'm talking gear that's 15-20 or more years old. There's pretty much no way that the bindings could have been tested if they are unindemnified is there?
post #2 of 7
I always check out if the skis have a brake on them, on two occasions they have not and I have used that to eliminate that person from class.

Yesterday, a kid of about seventeen had some very old stuff with a brake. I asked if his dad had the bindings checked by a shop and clearly (in front of the class) told them they may not work properly. I was lucky because he did not make it to the group that "went up on the hill" but remained to do slow wedge stuff on the flats.
post #3 of 7
I will take that student (if a private), or have my supervisor take that student right down to the rental shop for some "new-fangled" equipment at no extra cost to the student. If the student refuses, I (we) refuse to allow them into a class. I've never had a student refuse. It's actually a policy at the mountain.

I once had a student (private) on skis that where just too long for her to learn to do anything on (the boyfriend bought them at a swap for her). I even took her down to rentals and put her on appropriate equipment, she had a great time. I don't know what she told her boyfriend later, but sometimes I wonder if I ruined the relationship. [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]

Don't be afraid to say something where safety (and liability) are concerned.
post #4 of 7
You could always just teach them how we used to ski on that gear.
(just kidding, see above) [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]
post #5 of 7
I am not an instructor, but I think you are wise to refuse that person entry into the class until they get some safe equipment. I do not think that you are in any way liable for their poor decision to use that stuff (likely out of ignorance), but it is certainly the responsible thing to do as a ski professional for their safety. Yesterday at Breckenridge I saw 2 people on equipment that I skied on in high school (I'm talking 1972, and it wasn't new then- Salomon 404 bindings with runaway straps). My son pointed them out and asked me what those cords were for! He couldn't figure out why anyone would have powder cords on when there was only 1 inch of new snow.
post #6 of 7
If one of your guests shows with outdated equipment, you should do your best to convince them that one, the equipment is probably not safe to use. Two, that it might be dangerous to others skiing around them if adequate safety devices are not present on the equipment. Three, that they would benefit much more on today’s modern equipment. Four and most important, that they might damage a real museum piece rendering it worthless. [img]tongue.gif[/img] -------------------Wigs
post #7 of 7
The rental shop alternative is the answer. If the student refuses, I would refuse to have that student in the class, until an approval from management of the ski area was obtained. If that student was hurt due to unsafe equipment, the ski area could be held responsible. I certainly would get a waiver signed by the skier, or appropriate supervising adult.

Your knowledge of the out dated and probably untested bindings could indirectly obligate the resort to suggest appropraite and corrective actions necessary to the protection of the safety of that skier. In action [ allowing that skier to continue in the class,] with that skier eventually becoming injured while in your class, a court of law could determine that the ski school and /or the ski area was in fact possibly responsible for the safty of that skier. Your knowledge of the unsafe or seemingly unsafe equipment creates a situation of possible negligence, if that skier is allowed to continue in your class on what could possibly be dangerous equipment.

So in conclusion, the continuation of the student in your class on questionable equipment, should be Ok'd by resort management. Better safe than sorrow for all the parties.
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