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Burton Junkyard Skate/Snowboard?

post #1 of 27
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Has anybody out there tried to ride one of these?  I got it for next to nothing.  I skate fairly well and surf a little.  But this thing looks like it will be pretty sketchy.  I will give it a shot  next time I take the kids sledding.  i wouldn't dare try it at a resort before figuring out how to ride it haha!

 

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Looks to be about 36" long

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post #2 of 27

Sweet. Looks like a really fun toy for the sledding hill. I don't think many resorts allow those. I think a few have small terrain parks designed for snow skates, but they are probably all in California. Bring it to BK next year. ;) We can take turns towing each other behind a car. :D

post #3 of 27
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I think the problem is that there is no leash or brake. I could add one and make it legal unless there is some other reason they aren't allowed.

 

SRSLY, I'd never take this anyplace public unless I learned to really shred with it.  That isn't likely haha!

post #4 of 27

I've ridden a snow skate a couple of times. At resorts. Riding them without a rough surface glued on top is pretty much a no go in snowboard boots. Some resorts allow them if you attach a leash. Some resorts don't care. Some resorts have not seen enough of them to have an official policy (i.e. it all depends on who you run into literally or figuratively). The last time I rode one was at Peakin' Peak. After the lifts shut down, we hiked up the base area a little bit and cruised on the relatively flat terrain.

post #5 of 27
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These guys seem to be able to ride them OK, but the clips only show for about fifty to a hundred feet.  I doubt they carve well.

post #6 of 27

Not doing too bad at 1:52 carving wise. I believe they have a wicked short turning radius.

post #7 of 27

We have one. No resort near where our cabin is allows them so it's usually just making a ramp and having the kids slide down....

They are  fun....

post #8 of 27
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Not that I'd ever consider riding one at a resort, but why aren't they allowed with a strap?  How is that much different than vintage ski gear with safety straps?

post #9 of 27

Fear of the unknown.

 

Think about how guests would react to slopes with out of control people on:

snow skates

snow bikes

aero sleds

cafeteria trays

toboggans

flexible flyers

[fill in the blank]

 

The easiest thing to do is ban unconventional gear, but not announce it until you need to. We don't tell our guests that toy snowboards are banned from the resort, but we won't allow students into classes on toy boards. If someone insisted on riding one of these things more than once down a trail, they'd probably get tossed for not riding in control if they tried a second lap. If they were in control, no one would notice. If a resort has already seen someone riding a skate out of control on their slopes, they are more likely to just ban them like we ban toy boards. Another rule at my home resort is no guest goes up the lift without being able to ride off (gear has to be on not carried). No matter what the rules are, it all depends on who sees you.

post #10 of 27

Looks like fun.

 

What kind of footwear would you choose.

post #11 of 27

I've ridden them with snowboard boots. As long as the top surface has grip tape on it, that works. Deck shoes or skate shoes might work on an untaped surface as long as it stay fairly dry. Otherwise any comfortable athletic shoe that will keep your feet warm should work fine.

post #12 of 27
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Fear of the unknown.

 


The easiest thing to do is ban unconventional gear, but not announce it until you need to. We don't tell our guests that toy snowboards are banned from the resort, but we won't allow students into classes on toy boards. If someone insisted on riding one of these things more than once down a trail, they'd probably get tossed for not riding in control if they tried a second lap. If they were in control, no one would notice. If a resort has already seen someone riding a skate out of control on their slopes, they are more likely to just ban them like we ban toy boards. Another rule at my home resort is no guest goes up the lift without being able to ride off (gear has to be on not carried). No matter what the rules are, it all depends on who sees you.

LOL!  Hate the player, not the game..  So someone that looks like a fine upstanding citizen, perhaps a resort instructor (and riding competently and in control) might not get a second look.  But, a kid in baggy pants, earbuds, and reeking of pot could be asked to leave (regardless of actual observed behavior) because their gear is deemed unsafe.

 

As for footwear, the deck has a 1/4" layer of stiff foam rubber instead of sandpaper grip tape.  I'm thinking Vans or DC high tops or half cabs with wool socks underneath.  This will require quite a bit of ankle feathering.
 

post #13 of 27

therusty works at a ski area that once told a pretty Norwegian girl that she could not ski there with a lurk. Lifties can be jerks. 

 

My friend and mentor intervened and the decision was overruled.

 

Those snowskates look sketchy to me. I don't think I'd allow them if I owned a ski hill. 

 

Essentially there is an unwritten rule that bindings are required. Unwritten because no one anticipated equipment that could be ridden safely off lift ramps, in icy conditions, on crowded pistes, without bindings. 

 

Allow it in the beginner's terrain park. Observe. Determine whether or not equipment without bindings can be ridden safely. 

 

Freeheel bindings were not allowed at most resorts because they did not have safety release bindings. Acceptance of snowboards forced that rule to be dropped. Hopefully snowskates will usher in an era where not only the heel can be free! Binding-less Free foot skiing. Are you ready?

 

I'll wear boots though. Uggs might work. Vans would be wicked cold. Might as well wax the boards and go barefoot.

post #14 of 27

I looked it up in the employee manual. On page 632 it says pretty Norwegian girls are not allowed to ski with jerks. You can't blame a lifty for mistaking a lurk (single long pole used for Telemark skiing) for a jerk (a single tall Pole used to Telemark skiing). I did half a shift as a lifty last season. After having one guest fall off a chair (hey it was only 5 feet)  and another undetected downloader make it around the bullwheel at the bottom, you're not going to see me say one bad word about lifties because I discovered for sure I can't do any better.

 

In all my years of working for a resort, I've never seen "hate the player, not the game". I have seen people die at my resort. Whether someone is drunk or stoned or on unsafe gear or is recklessly using safe gear, it's always a tough call to make to pull someone off the slopes. There are way too many different scenarios to train every staff member to make perfect responses every time. Sometimes we're going to make wrong calls erring on safety's side and sometimes we're going to make wrong calls erring on letting unsafe situations go unaddressed. But we can train everyone to respect every guest regardless of their age, race, creed, color, medication or relationship between their belt should be and where the top of their pants actually is.

post #15 of 27
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In all my years of working for a resort, I've never seen "hate the player, not the game".

That's good to know.  I've seen some of it, but mostly out on the streets at skate spots by the cops.  Nobody's hacking paint off railings, nobody's leaving wax on the bricks.  Still, kids that look like potential trouble makers get sent packing but the 45 year old man (sometimes several older folks) doesn't.  I leave anyway when that happens tough. 

I still wonder about resorts that don' tallow snowboards at all.  I tend to think that is intended to keep out the element and not really the equipment. 

post #16 of 27

I've noticed an old man with gray beard skiing with a young girl (who could be his grand-daughter) doesn't get checked for lift ticket while adolescent snowboarders do. When I realized I had forgotten to arrange for lift access it was sort of too late. We were already deep into the lift line and far from the lift ticket line. If we were on snowboards it might have been a different story. Haha.

 

It's not fair, but suspiocious looking people will arouse suspicion. Don't waste money on a lift pass if you'll be trying to get on the lift with a snowskate. I'm sure the unusual gear will distract lifties from checking your pass. Whether or not you are allowed to board the lift will be entirely unrelated to whether of not you've paid to do so.:D

post #17 of 27

If you bring it to BK, you can ski 1000 vert before riding a lift becomes an issue. I have a pair of 123cm skis we can carry in a back pack for lift riding. Tool free adjustable DIN bindings, any stiff soled footware will fit.

 

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post #18 of 27
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If you bring it to BK, you can ski 1000 vert before riding a lift becomes an issue. I have a pair of 123cm skis we can carry in a back pack for lift riding. Tool free adjustable DIN bindings, any stiff soled footware will fit.

 

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Hey, that looks like pefrect footwear for the snowskate.  I'll bring it to BK if I go, but really plan to just fart around with it out front while supervising my kids sledding-- provided that ulr blesses us the way the snow God blessed us last season.

post #19 of 27

I'd like to try it, but I don't think I'll be able to do more than fall off. I was just kidding about riding the lifts. Getting to the bottom of BK on strange gear is not easy. An icy morning on a Teleboard carrying a lurk instead of poles almost brought me to tears. 

 

I actually rode (bicycle, not snowboard) through a winter in sandals because I'm stubborn and shoes hurt my feet. Wool socks under 'waterproof' socks work OK in rough weather, but they work better in shoes. Boots are even better. Go figure. 

post #20 of 27

Yeah, I'd like to give it a go too.  Skating in boots is pretty scary to me though.  I think I'd rather have some stout tennies on.

post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

Has anybody out there tried to ride one of these?  I got it for next to nothing.  I skate fairly well and surf a little.  But this thing looks like it will be pretty sketchy.  I will give it a shot  next time I take the kids sledding.  i wouldn't dare try it at a resort before figuring out how to ride it haha!

 

SideBoard.jpg

 

BottomBoard.jpg

 

TallBoard.jpg

 

Looks to be about 36" long


Gregg Davis over at Breckenridge rides them. I know he and other instructors ride them in the halfpipe there besides terrain park. He's got pictures posted somewhere - I forget where. He's big into skateboarding too.  I saw one in Earl Saline's garage too. He's working at the national office now if you want to ask him about it.

post #22 of 27

I saw the crew out from Breck on Sunday at A-Basin Closing Day.  They had leashes on and were hitting the moguls.  They were yelling up at me from the lift but I never hooked up with them.

post #23 of 27
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I'd like to try it, but I don't think I'll be able to do more than fall off. I was just kidding about riding the lifts. Getting to the bottom of BK on strange gear is not easy. An icy morning on a Teleboard carrying a lurk instead of poles almost brought me to tears. 

 

I actually rode (bicycle, not snowboard) through a winter in sandals because I'm stubborn and shoes hurt my feet. Wool socks under 'waterproof' socks work OK in rough weather, but they work better in shoes. Boots are even better. Go figure. 



I believe I've found appropriate footwear to try this thing out for an hour or so.  How bout some fleece lined Vans half cabs?  Just got some on sale at Backcountry.com

 

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post #24 of 27

 

Hey, that looks like an old Atomic 9.10 !

 

*still wants to ski at rusty's resort on a pair of tandem skis*

post #25 of 27
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Bump!  I laid a couple of tracks down the front yard this morning on this:

 

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Backside pivot turns and slides seem pretty solid, just like kick turns.  Frontside seems kinda sketchy but actually easier than on a snowboard because I can step off if I over commit and start to fall.  ALAS the slush has washed away but I will definitely take this out to play around with next time we get enough to bust out some sledsicon14.gif

post #26 of 27

I saw someone board down to a lift on this (or at least a similar device--a snowboard with a skinner platform under it) at Whistler two weeks ago. He must have had a safety leash attached as it's against the code to board without it. And I'm not sure how he got off the lift. But are those binding mounting points drilled in the top of the thing? 

post #27 of 27
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I saw someone board down to a lift on this (or at least a similar device--a snowboard with a skinner platform under it) at Whistler two weeks ago. He must have had a safety leash attached as it's against the code to board without it. And I'm not sure how he got off the lift. But are those binding mounting points drilled in the top of the thing? 



No bindings.  Just dense foam rubber meant to function like grip tape (sandpaper tape) does, only meant to work when wet.

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