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Perfect Turn and Vail Co.

post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 
The primary force behind Perfect Turn, Maggie Loring, is now at Vail. She mailed us a copy of their latest instructor handbook (the small spiral bound one) -- and it shows clear influence from her. Is there anybody here who is at Vail/Breck/Beaver/Keystone who also has worked for a PT school? Curious to hear what parallels may be starting to exist.
post #2 of 8
You are correct in that Maggie worked at Vail this season, as pod manager at LH. Unfortunately, she was sick most of the season with a virus which caused her to lose her balance quite easily. About the worst thing an instructor can get! She skied less than 20 days this season, out of 150.

But to correct you- she had no role in the development of the pocket manual you refer to. Nor did Perfect Turn.

If you look inside the front cover, you'll find that Linda Guerrette and Carol Levine were responsible for 99% of the content and effort that went into the book. Carol (ex- DTeam) is in charge of all ski school training for V/BC, while Linda (formerly a supervisor) is a senior instructor at BC.

I think they did a bang up job on this manual, to a point where PSIA- NAT is picking it up, generalizing it for use as a national resource. Nat did this with our last pocket manual as well.

I'm glad you found it helpful. Maybe others will find it so as well.

post #3 of 8
Thread Starter 
Ah - too bad she was sick.

Thanks for the correction, I was actually quoting a training coordinator from her old home mountain saying that he saw her work in it. As far as "no role" - her *NAME* is listed in the credits of the one I saw! This is next seasons manual I think, and there it was in black and white. So maybe I saw a different manual than the one to which you refer?

As far as Perfect Turn having nothing to do with it, of course it did not, and I did not imply such in my post. Perfect turn is an ASC owned trademark.

Maggie was the main force behind creating PT however.

Maybe you just skimmed my post? Because I actually did not say anything about finding it 'helpful' either! Hey, and maybe I will find it helpful, but lets not just assume that because its from *Vail* (Cue angelic Choir sound) and I looked at it that I MUST have found it helpful!

[ April 19, 2002, 06:10 PM: Message edited by: Todd M. ]
post #4 of 8

TOUCHE'. (Sound of a 'thud' , as I hit the floor...)

I stand corrected. The aspects of the Vail manual for which Maggie is given credit were more to do with information used from the new PSIA Core Concepts Manual, of which she was the primary author.

And though it may be presumptuous, I hope that many instructors find it helpful. It's not the end-all, but it is a good resource.

(Sound of scraping , as I attempt to pick myself back up)

post #5 of 8
Thread Starter 
No worries, and I do think that Vail often puts out excellent materials - its not magic of course, its simply because such a mammoth company can't help but have lots of resources to throw at anything they create.

Maggie is very driven, created a large and cleanly layed out teaching and training system, and has a lot of knowledge about teaching and learning in general - so I suspect that her influence will grow with Vail, and that in fact they would not have brought her in if they didn't want such.

[ April 19, 2002, 06:30 PM: Message edited by: Todd M. ]
post #6 of 8
FYI, talking about Vail, some may find it interesting that Morrie Shepard, who was brought in by Pete Siebert to run the ski school, left due to a financial dispute.

Seems there was a misunderstanding about the ski schools gross as compared to lift ticket sales. Shepard, then went on to join the start-up, Lange Boot Company.

Also, the ski school logo is the original. It's never been altered.

[ April 19, 2002, 06:37 PM: Message edited by: SCSA ]
post #7 of 8
Hey, I like the new handbooks! Then again I like most of what comes out of the RM! Three steps and GCT gets me abit queasy...I hate the thought that we need to dumb down the craft.
Let's sit back and watch the perfect turn and the perfect SS (vail) head off on a blind date at Heavenly! HMMMMMMM! Awkward at first but could have cute offspring!
post #8 of 8
You know, I think learning Perfect Turn as my first experience of teaching (last year) has stood me in very good stead, especially when teaching beginners. I find I am teaching very differently from my colleagues at Keystone in this regard...doing all the boot work, and one ski work, in a targetted way. I see the others putting their people into 2 skis very quickly and taking them up the hill to teach them breaking wedges (snowplough, really).

About a month ago, I decided to go back to full PT teaching, so that with the students' first or 2nd glide down the hill, they were turning already. I've found that getting them turning so early has them doing it much easier...rather than getting them settled into wedgeing straight before introducing turns, which makes them seem difficult.
If they turn as soon as they start experiencing gliding, I have found it comes so much more easily. And then turn to stop, and then the hill is their oyster!

I think that for lower levels, PT is a very good system indeed. Vail resorts, based on my experience here, don't really have a system as such. There are lots of people of varying ages and experience, and they all teach their own way (me included). I think the people who take their groups high up the hill to start them off are wrong, but since they are teaching breaking wedge anyway, it probably works.

I'm not very impressed with the new PSIA manuals, either! Lot of new age stuff, but nothing of substance, why they include Myers Briggs is beyond me, that is such complex stuff, you need a book and a training course to start to understand it. I think the old one copy manual was more meaty.
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