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post #121 of 145



I can agree with that! But I think there's bit of a knee-jerk response to the whole length/width arguments that tend to crop up around here. Where people ski here vs. TGR for instance is part of the problem. (BC, pow, off-piste, trees) But there really are a lot of misunderstandings of how new designs realy ski and handle.  There are many here that can ski on barell staves and look good but the new design's offer a different feeling and experience than what can be experienced on traditional skis (especially narrower) and that's what we like, It's not about perfect technique its about the experience and feeling. Many of the new designs break the traditonal performance patterns and run counter to many's thinking of how the ski would or will perform, To make matters worse, as a whole (entire population) there are few skiers who rarely get more than one or two pow days (even 6") so their relative experience is extremely limited, let alone providing them the opportunity to try more than 1 ot 2 different skis.  

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Finn -- My wife says I'm the master of the obvious.    Of course my statement was broad; I was refuting an absolute statement that longer is always better.  I didn't say we can never say anything or ever give any advice to anyone.  Every model/size of ski, like all other sports equipment, incorporates dozens of design decisions, each of which effects various performance characteristics.  We can make intelligent statements about the trade-offs in performance (a head-heavy tennis racket increases power, but maybe at the expense of finesse), but absolute statements (a heavier racket is always better) add nothing.  Absolute statements have teeth, but they are false teeth. 

 

Eci -- You said my argument is flawed, but you mischaracterized what I said.  I never said that a long ski cannot be nimble.  My argument is that, after some point, moving up to the next increment of length will decrease other performance characteristics, such as nimbleness.  Those diminishing characteristics might not matter as much to some skiers, but might matter more to other skiers.  And the trade-off might be less --or might start to take place at a relatively longer length -- for rockered skis compared to cambered skis, but the trade-off is still there.

post #122 of 145

I think Finn summed it up perfectly.

 

I never said I was eloquent.

 

Though as Finn said I think many people draw only on their traditional ski experience, and don't take into account newer soft snow designs because they have none, or very limited experience with them.

post #123 of 145

 I have liked skiing the wider (for me) 95mm waist skis. They do everything well. Next season I will step up another 10-30mm wider. hint-big pow year.

post #124 of 145
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 I have liked skiing the wider (for me) 95mm waist skis. They do everything well. Next season I will step up another 10-30mm wider. hint-big pow year.


Thats what I'm planning on. Gonna wrap up my ON3P pre-orders next week.

post #125 of 145

I tried going shorter in the back country last season

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Yes, that's a red diamond!

post #126 of 145

Those are some bitchin' park poles ya' got there

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Those are some bitchin' park poles ya' got there


Those are bump poles ya GAPER!
 

post #128 of 145

You got me there! Yes, I am a gaper, which reminds me, Can I borrow that jacket and hat?

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You got me there! Yes, I am a gaper, which reminds me, Can I borrow that jacket and hat?



You can have the hat, I REALLY should wear a helmet when entring that terrain.,  The SubZero jacket matches my Dallas Cowboys sweater really well

post #130 of 145

I wanted the jacket to match my gray sweatpants.... the hat will tie-in the whole ensemble......

post #131 of 145

I am 65, started skiing when I was 55, and am 6', 200 lbs.   2 years later at the insistance of a younger, agressive skier, I bought a pair of K2 Crossfires, and had 3 fractures on them.  Turning was always my problem, with too much speed.   This year, after a knee sprain, I demoed Salomon X Wing Toranados, 158mm, and Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous 162mm.  The Salomons were a bit easier for me on groomed surfaces, the Nordicas were good on groomed, but much better for me in crud and powder, but all were a thousand times beter than the 167mm K2s.  Will put the K2s up for sale next year or give them away.  I'm done with longer skis, the Salomons and Nordicas where much more stable, and easier to turn.  Speed at my age is not the first priority

post #132 of 145

167 isn't a long ski. 

post #133 of 145

6'  200!  how about picking up some 178-180's??? not knockin' ya here but is that 200 lean?

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I am 65, started skiing when I was 55, and am 6', 200 lbs.   2 years later at the insistance of a younger, agressive skier, I bought a pair of K2 Crossfires, and had 3 fractures on them.  Turning was always my problem, with too much speed.   This year, after a knee sprain, I demoed Salomon X Wing Toranados, 158mm, and Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous 162mm.  The Salomons were a bit easier for me on groomed surfaces, the Nordicas were good on groomed, but much better for me in crud and powder, but all were a thousand times beter than the 167mm K2s.  Will put the K2s up for sale next year or give them away.  I'm done with longer skis, the Salomons and Nordicas where much more stable, and easier to turn.  Speed at my age is not the first priority


Sounds like a technique issue, not a length issue. My shortest carver is 168 and my daily drivers are 177. Lessons may be in order.

 

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167 isn't a long ski. 

QFT
 

post #135 of 145

I was going to chime in along the lines of those above, but then I reminded myself that I know a couple, slightly younger than jimelles1, who switched to snowblades a few years ago and swear by them.

 

So hey -- whatever gets you down the hill.

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I was going to chime in along the lines of those above, but then I reminded myself that I know a couple, slightly younger than jimelles1, who switched to snowblades a few years ago and swear by them.

 

So hey -- whatever gets you down the hill.


There ARE limits.

post #137 of 145

snowblades can be a good training and learning tool, I find them a bit on the WTF-side. I would love to see someone take those off-piste as long as they stay far away....

post #138 of 145
Thread Starter 

^^^^ I used to ski deep powder on 168 Volkl 6*'s, which are not whole lot different. Redefines the concept of porpoising. 

post #139 of 145

I had a ski instructor tell me that he likes the use of blades for skiers who have a hard time finding "neutral".

Some training on snow blades will make a person find neutral quickly, eh?

post #140 of 145

REAL QUICK!  great remedy for backseaters..... after a while you'll get tired of falling on your kiester.....

post #141 of 145

You are probably right, my technique may be the real issue, or maybe a mental game, but the 158/159 range for me is better at getting me down the hill is a managed fashion.  After all, at my age the only race I have is to stay alive and enjoy the snow!!!  I do take lessons generally every season, try to stay in shape in the off season.  Maybe it was just a mental thing, but the shorter ones work for me.

post #142 of 145

Dude, 65 is ain't nothing, when you get into your mid-70's then you can do your survival skiing. Some of the bears here in thier 60's seriously rip! Don't let age get in your head.  We've got guys here with titanium hips and knees that can bury me.....

post #143 of 145
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

Dude, 65 is ain't nothing, when you get into your mid-70's then you can do your survival skiing. Some of the bears here in thier 60's seriously rip! Don't let age get in your head.  We've got guys here with titanium hips and knees that can bury me.....


Like this guy?

Pssst, that's Weems 

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post #144 of 145

Exactly like WEEMS!

post #145 of 145
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There ARE limits.


True enough.  Note that I never mentioned actually skiing with the aforementioned couple.

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