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What Skins to choose

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

For my mantras with marker dukes.

found 3 sets of skins there all pretty much the same price

black diamond ascension

G3 alpinist

Colltex mixed fibre

 

At the moment i'm the black diamond ones are most likely, i like the fact you can adjust the length so i could pout them on different skis if i broke mine. would like to know what everyone else thinks i should choose.

 

thanks

post #2 of 19

BD Ascension skins are the 'benchmark' for skins, period.

post #3 of 19

G3 is hardly a slacker company wrt BC stuff. Not that I'm deep into touring land, butI don't know of anyone having issues or major complaints with current skins from either BD or G3. Look at the features & assorted reviews and pick your poison.

 

And climbingskinsdirect.com seems to have something of following as well. 

 

Whatever you choose - get your hands on a G3 trim tool. Last year you could buy them separately for like 3-4 bucks. If you are not a proficient skin trimmer, they will pay for themselves in the first few minutes of use. In fact, that's how long it'll take you to do a perfect trim job with them - after attaching tip loops if doing std BDs. Speaking of BD tip loops - they are not the biggest deal to do, but definitely more hassle than just grabbing the right length G3s (size up w/ G3s if in doubt - that's been my experience anyway)

 

IMO it is easy to overthink this...

post #4 of 19

 

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

BD Ascension skins are the 'benchmark' for skins, period.

 

 

What he said.

 

post #5 of 19

I believe the Ascension skins give better climbing traction, but almost zero glide, whereas the G3s glide better, but do not stick as well.  If I were you I would go on TelemarkTips forum and see what they say. It is a much bigger pool of skin users.

post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 

Cool thanks for the replies guys sounds like the ascensions, interesting what you have said mudfoot i will jump on too telemarktips and have a look.

 

cheers

post #7 of 19

As a backcountry newbie myself last season, I bought the BD GlideLite STS. I haven't been totally thrilled with their performance on the climbs, especially steeper/icier terrain, and after doing a bit of research I concluded that I should have gone with the Ascensions. I'll probably hang on to the GlideLites for flatter tours, but can you guys give me a sense of how much better the uphill grip on climbs would be if I invest in a pair of Ascensions next season? 

post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by martinpearce31 View Post

For my mantras with marker dukes.
found 3 sets of skins there all pretty much the same price
Black Diamond Ascension
G3 Alpinist
Colltex mixed fibre

At the moment the black diamond ones are most likely, i like the fact you can adjust the length so i could put them on different skis if i broke mine. would like to know what everyone else thinks i should choose.

thanks
I'd go with Colltex if you can find them, but otherwise would recommend the BD Glidelites over Ascension. They grip just as well and have better glide which DOES make a difference with fatter skis on big days. Grip is over rated and a poor substitute for a track that climbs steadily without requiring brawn to navigate. IOW, steep tracks do mandate more grip and more energy to climb, but there are other ways to skin a slope. wink.gif

Lots of other skin reviews here.
post #9 of 19

Also read the the latest version of BCA's Magic Carpets has great grip and glide better than nylon/mohair mix skins.  From what I read Colltex mohair is about as good as it gets but trying to find them in the US is difficult.

post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

BD Ascension skins are the 'benchmark' for skins, period.

Actually, this is no longer the case.

 

The new 2012/2013 Ascentions (and probably all BD skins) have a new less sticky glue.

 

Apparently, the old sticky glue was too sticky, and it caused people to have to develop actual muscles to pull their skins off.  And as everybody knows, you shouldn't require muscles to ski.

 

As a result, your new improved BD skins will not stick to your skis in cold temps.

 

What do I mean by cold?

 

Lets say 20d and below, like we sometimes get in the sierra.  And if you happen to get that white cold stuff called snow on them forget it.

 

How do I know all this?

 

I made the mistake of purchasing said product, thinking it was the same ol' time tested skin.

 

Wrong.

 

As a result of my ignorance, I had to posthole out of a drainage, waist deep colorado powder, for about 1,000 vertical feet.

 

Yes, it could have been worse, say 2,000+ vertcial.

 

Do yourself a favor, and don't buy these skins.

 

I would look to Climbing Skins Direct.

post #11 of 19
There are a couple of new climbing skins coming for next season with a variation of the "glueless" glue that Gecko pioneered. It is still a glue, but it is a silicone based forumula. Think Post-It sticky notes and you'll have an idea of the relative tackiness of these new glues compared to "traditional" skins like BCA's Magic Carpet, Ascension/Glide Lite, G3, Climbing Skins Direct, etcetera.

The two brands to look for are High Trails (which may be OEM'd by I don't know who, yet), and Volkl.
post #12 of 19

I bought some Pomoca semi synthetic skins this year and I am very happy with them.  Grip is excellent.  The included trimming tool is outstanding and a no-brainer to use.

 

My only criticisms are that the stock plastic protective sheet is a piece of dog doo doo and should be replaced with BD cheat sheets.  I am not a big fan of the stock tip attachment gizmo either, as it is difficult to install. 

post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by Pacobillie View Post

I bought some Pomoca semi synthetic skins this year and I am very happy with them.  Grip is excellent.  The included trimming tool is outstanding and a no-brainer to use.

My only criticisms are that the stock plastic protective sheet is a piece of dog doo doo and should be replaced with BD cheat sheets.  I am not a big fan of the stock tip attachment gizmo either, as it is difficult to install. 
Throw that protective sheet away. That is only for shipping the skins, not storing them. The glue should be fine stored glue-to-glue, in the field or long term in your pack. Agree their tip loops are a pain. See the many other options that exist in Tips N Tails for Climbing Skins.
post #14 of 19

^^^^^I have to use the BD cheat sheets between my Climbing Skins Direct skins or it takes 2 guys to pull them apart (glue on glue) and I do some solo meadow skipping.

post #15 of 19
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^^^^^I have to use the BD cheat sheets between my Climbing Skins Direct skins or it takes 2 guys to pull them apart (glue on glue) and I do some solo meadow skipping.

 

That's nothing a little dog hair won't solve.

post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post
 

 

That's nothing a little dog hair won't solve.


Great idea.  No shortage of that in my house with these two knuckle heads around.

 

post #17 of 19
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Throw that protective sheet away. That is only for shipping the skins, not storing them. The glue should be fine stored glue-to-glue, in the field or long term in your pack. Agree their tip loops are a pain. See the many other options that exist in Tips N Tails for Climbing Skins.

Indeed, those two items (i.e. plastic sheets and standard tip buckles) were thrown away early on and replaced respectively with the BD cheat sheets and Pomoca adjustable loop.  

post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by liv2 ski View Post

^^^^^I have to use the BD cheat sheets between my Climbing Skins Direct skins or it takes 2 guys to pull them apart (glue on glue) and I do some solo meadow skipping.
My suggestion that cheat sheets are not needed is only applicable w.r.t. Pomoca skins. Perhaps a few others too, but definitely not CSD glue. That stuff is should be a controlled substance. wink.gif
post #19 of 19

I suppose I'll throw in my .02

 

 

Bought G3 Alpinist skins this season, used them on roughly 20 tours. Like previously stated the trim tool is great, leaves perfect space for edges. The tip and tail conditions are very low hassle. Once you have the tail length set you're are good to go and it should be noted that the different skin lengths work for skis that fall within dimensions (IIRC it's a range of 10cm).

 

Very happy with how the glue and plush has held up. I take good care of my stuff so I guess that isn't too much of a surprise. But I did find myself skinning through several shark fields and the fibers have held up well.

 

Grip is fine until you start getting into steeper, icier conditions. Gliding was good from basically right out of the box with a small break in period, although most of my tours were shorter but had steeper ascents. Looking back I probably should have went with the high traction skins, sliding backwards in places you don't want to fall is not fun. If you have good form and appropriate heel risers I doubt you will have any sliding issues unless the conditions are a real mess.

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