You are trying to advocate a method of teaching that we all agree will get a student turning. But we all also agree is an old and outdated method. Many of us here have much experience in both methods and have seen the results. Don't take it personally and be prepared to think outside of the box.... You will be pleasantly surprised!
Im doing more outside the box thinking than most. For me its not hard to spot the active weight transfer, the outside ski relese, the extention and the lack of it and the rotation in the psia video. I fully admit that the pressure consept might be old but Im not necessarily agreeing it being outdated. But we can dissagree on this point. We do not have to agree.
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Blimey... these discussions get out of hand very quickly eh??
To anyone that works with beginners, with the intent of getting them to intermediate parallel, the difference should be obvious!
What is very clearly shown with a graphic in the PSIA wedge turns video is the steering motion that is used. The tips of the skis come back and forth across the body. This is created by steering with the feet (turning the whole leg in the hip socket to change the foot angle). No, the skis are in a wedged position to start with. The femures are rotated in the hip sockets to start with. No such action required. And since the skiers stay square to the skis it is impossible if the same steering agle is kept as the narration is implying "size of wedge is consistent through out the turn".
You really don't get the idea of steering do you?.... Yes you first create a wedge by turning your feet, but what happens after that??.... With active that wedge stays set with tips pointing center forward and the weight shift to the outside ski creates pressure, starting the turning motion..... With steering, the tips are pointed in the direction you wish to turn, left or right of center. This can only be done by turning your feet which is a core skill of the parallel turn and promotes separation from the start. Watch the animated graphic in the wedge turn video again.
I dissagree. The reason you wedge is that you dont have to create the steering angle of the ski in order to turn. It is alredy formed. You just adjust the friction on each edge to turn. In a parallel turn you need to somehow create the steering angle. This is the hard part. You can do it several ways. One would be to use the wedge christie progression and form the wedge before every turn. Annother would be to use unweighting to pivot your skis to form a steering angle for a true parallel turn. Pmts has a solution of their own. Stem turn would also be an option. So would the pre turn and the hop turn. If you are carving then you can skip all of the previously mentioned.None of that is required becaue you dont need to form a steerng angle. You just tip your skis to turn and let them run along their edges.
The steering angle is set by the amount you turn the feet, not by the size of the wedge... which stays consistent.
This is not true. The steering angle is determined by how much the tail is offset to the tip. The tail is tracking wider. Initially you turn the feet to form the wedge but then what? How can you all of a sudden turn your feet more without your tips getting closer to each other? You dont turn your feet. Its the skis turning you. Just like in carving. You can offcorse be misstaken for the following. If you wedge straight down in the fall line. Staying in the wedge requires a muscle effort. You need to keep turning your feet towards the insde or the wedge will open up. You could easily be tricked to think that its this turning of the feet movement that makes you turn but if there was no firction between skis and snow then no matter how much you turned your feet you would not turn. You would keep on going straight. Its all about the friction between the snow and the ski.
Yes, the faster you go the more the forces of the turn will create a more pronounced passive weight shift, but the weight shift is not required at all to complete these turns on a gentle slope. Also see that the skis are mainly flat throughout these turns. The skis can be flat even if you are using the active weight transfer method. But you are onto something. The gliding wedge psia style passive weight transfer does not work as well with more edged skis. That means you cannot make tight turns and you cannot ski steep sections at slow speed.
What is the rush to get onto steeper terrain with the wedge?? What is the rush for tight turns?? Why confuse the student with edging at this point?? Get them turning their feet on mellow terrain, get them turning basic parallel on mellow terrain.... Use different drills to introduce edging, then bring the skills together at the basic parallel stage. In reality, the student will get experience with edging while side-stepping or goose-stepping up the beginner hill.
In the case of the woman in the clip she was skiing from point A to point B. There were some steeper sections along the way. There were also flatter sections and narrow ones. She made it to the lift. She took the lift up and she skied down to the ski rent that is located half way down the slope. So she was on a jurney. And she made it there without any problems. Saved her form walking. It was a nice feeling of freedome for her to be able to move arround. She had never been in a lift so it was also exiting.
With Active weight shift, the ski tips do not move relative to the body! Same goes for the psia consept. The narration said size of wedge is consistant......
Nope!... See first point above.
Yes..... see above.
Try teaching a parallel turn with both ski tips staying in the same place?? I dont understand the Q!
Feet shoulder width apart, skis parallel (NO wedge!!), heading down the fall line on very mellow terrain.... Keeping your skis flat, how do you turn?? Where do you point your ski tips to turn?? How do you do this??
A couple of options. I lift the inside ski tail in the air and point my knee into the turn for creating a steering angle on my stance foot. Or I pivot my skis a bit as they are flat and create a steering angle. Think pivot slips. After that I just keep following along where the friction takes me. I can put more pressure on the tips to turn tighter. Or I simply tip and let the skis run along the edges as in carving.
It is this basic skill that we are trying to introduce. Combined with using turn shape to control speed we can pretty much skip over the wedge and forget that we were ever there! You are voting for direct to parallel? Do you think psia should do that?
The PSIA and CSIA are already doing this.... ever heard of "Fast Track to Parallel"? i.e. using the wedge as a means to introduce the skills needed to ski parallel. Basic parallel turns are the goal NOT wedge turns! Teaching active weight shift from the start does work to get a student moving and turning and it will get a result, but it DOES impede progress to parallel!!
I too think that the wedge is a tool for beginners. I admit that I tend to teach especially kids to carve straigh after the wedge. Im not too conserned with kids and wedging. They will ski it out of their system before long. Speed draws their skis parallel. Carving keeps them parallel. But with adults its different. They need to learn how to unweight in order to turn parallel. Or the alternative but sooner or later they will have to be able to work in the vertical plane by extending and fexing their feet. I agree, the wede is not the goal. Its a tool to get the people skiing.