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post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 

If a world cup GS skier was not constrained by FIS restictions, would they use the current FIS complient ski?

If not what lengths and radius skiis would they use? 

post #2 of 9

yes, the courses that they are skiing are essentially matching the sidecut of the skis that are being used in terms of spacing and radius.

 

in the words of forest gump, they go together like carrots and peas.

 

jim

post #3 of 9
Thread Starter 

Does that mean that when the minimum radius changed a year or so back the the course setters reduced the lateral separation of the gates to compensate.

I understood the radius change was to reduce injuries,

however if the result was greater speed through straighter courses  then injuries reduction may be not achieved. 

post #4 of 9
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Originally Posted by uboom View Post

Does that mean that when the minimum radius changed a year or so back the the course setters reduced the lateral separation of the gates to compensate.

I understood the radius change was to reduce injuries,

 

This is my understanding for WC/FIS, but are you referring to Masters (title) or World Cup (text)?
 

post #5 of 9

in theory some of the recent radius, and width changes, and course changes where brought forward on the premise of reducing the forces created on the lower body. i am totally arm chair quarterbacking this one, however in hindsight, i do not believe that enough of the collective brain trust of the FIS was utilized when the last round of ski and course criteria was adjusted.

 

it could be argued that they were trying to slow down the event with greater speed control.

 

in my opinion they have ended up with a result that has actually allowed the athlete to ski even faster in GS, all other conditions being equal.

 

i do not have any data to back this statement up, but in my opinion, there has not been a proven cause and effect benefit, relating to knee and lower leg injuries at the WC level, since new sidecuts and course dimensions have been changed.

 

if anyone has data in this area, it would be interesting to see.

 

jim

post #6 of 9
Thread Starter 

My headline and question did not match exactly.

I started by thinking about my GS equipment upgrade and got side tracked. (will be interested to see how FIS responds because if they follow their existing trend GS will be a two run SG).

I am a 63 year old life long( 57) year skier. Took up masters racing 15 years ago and have worked hard to change my technique from a recreational (loved steeps and bumps) to racing.

As my technique has improved I can handle a stiffer and straighter ski, but am wondering how far to go. Masters courses vary considerably in NZ.

I currently use a 174cm cheater GS for turny courses and a previous race stock 181cm FIS womens 21 mtr. radius ski for straighter coures. I easily get thes through aGS coure. Last year I bought a 191 race stock FIS GS 27mtr. radius and really had to work on technique to turn it. I am still slow on this ski in GS as I cannot bend it and now use it for SG.

The quandry is how far up the ladder to go. I think I can handle a race stock ski but do I go for a womens or mans, and what length.

I am 5.10 weigh 180 lbs.work hard at the gym and run.  

post #7 of 9

My story's about the same as yours.  I am 61, have been Masters racing for 20 years.  I've been on Atomic for most of that time.  Last year, I got two pais of 186 cm GS12s, 27 m radius.  I could get them through a Masters course, but just barely.  I went to a 183 cm. 24M sidecut ski, women's WC GS.  This year, I have two pairs of Atomic D2 184 cm., 26 m sidecut, and they work just great for me...

 



 

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Originally Posted by uboom View Post

My headline and question did not match exactly.

I started by thinking about my GS equipment upgrade and got side tracked. (will be interested to see how FIS responds because if they follow their existing trend GS will be a two run SG).

I am a 63 year old life long( 57) year skier. Took up masters racing 15 years ago and have worked hard to change my technique from a recreational (loved steeps and bumps) to racing.

As my technique has improved I can handle a stiffer and straighter ski, but am wondering how far to go. Masters courses vary considerably in NZ.

I currently use a 174cm cheater GS for turny courses and a previous race stock 181cm FIS womens 21 mtr. radius ski for straighter coures. I easily get thes through aGS coure. Last year I bought a 191 race stock FIS GS 27mtr. radius and really had to work on technique to turn it. I am still slow on this ski in GS as I cannot bend it and now use it for SG.

The quandry is how far up the ladder to go. I think I can handle a race stock ski but do I go for a womens or mans, and what length.

I am 5.10 weigh 180 lbs.work hard at the gym and run.  

post #8 of 9


I think you're onto something.  This has always been my contention, that the FIS had absolutely no data points to back up the length/sidecut changes they mandated, and if you look at the WC, there have been just as many injuries, knees and otherwise, if not more, since the current regs were enacted.  I did hear, however, that the real emphasis was not on WC, but on junior racers, and on making sure that they were not using skis that were way short and had a ton of sidecut.  There may be something to that argument, I don't know...

 


 

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Originally Posted by starthaus View Post

in theory some of the recent radius, and width changes, and course changes where brought forward on the premise of reducing the forces created on the lower body. i am totally arm chair quarterbacking this one, however in hindsight, i do not believe that enough of the collective brain trust of the FIS was utilized when the last round of ski and course criteria was adjusted.

 

it could be argued that they were trying to slow down the event with greater speed control.

 

in my opinion they have ended up with a result that has actually allowed the athlete to ski even faster in GS, all other conditions being equal.

 

i do not have any data to back this statement up, but in my opinion, there has not been a proven cause and effect benefit, relating to knee and lower leg injuries at the WC level, since new sidecuts and course dimensions have been changed.

 

if anyone has data in this area, it would be interesting to see.

 

jim

post #9 of 9
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 View Post
I did hear, however, that the real emphasis was not on WC, but on junior racers, and on making sure that they were not using skis that were way short and had a ton of sidecut.  There may be something to that argument, I don't know...

This is what I also heard at my local mountain. Makes biological sense, we take a while to grow into our joints. 
 

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