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Hank Haney quits as Tiger's Coach.

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I heard that on the radio this morning. As usual with Tiger, the real reason is yet to be told. One wonders if Hank has had more financial success with his golf channel shows than with coaching Tiger and if the new injury presented an opportunity for Hank to "escape" his relationship with Tiger while he still had a good reputation or if Tiger had chosen to ignore Haney's advice regarding the injury.

 

We know it's not because Hank isn't getting Tiger's cast offs any more because Hank is married and Tiger apparently didn't have any cast offs.

 

So does this mean Hank will finally have enough time to finally "fix" Charle Barkley?

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So does this mean Hank will finally have enough time to finally "fix" Charle Barkley?

Some things just can't be fixed...
 

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My personal guess is that after 6 years it's time to move on for both. How much more can be said between them that has not been already stated on the subject of technique. Do they still listen to one another? Swing coaches and tour players both have pretty big ego's.

 

The interesting aspect is the timing. Just a few days ago, Johnny (the mouth) Miller stated that it was time for Tiger to fire Hank and look for a coach who specialized in hitting fade, or left to right shape shots. Miller stated Haney is a draw shape coach. Haney immediately published some statistics showing Tigers results during his time with Tiger and the stats were very positive in terms of winning.

 

Also, I wonder if they had a prearranged agreement that Haney would initiate the amicable breakup to avoid the fiasco following Tiger's public firing of Butch Harmon. Much cleaner this time, each leaves with his reputation in tact with respect to the player-coach relationship.

 

Still, I can't help but think that Tiger does not like Phil's improvement since he hired Butch Harmon. Nicklaus always stated that a golfer needs to change his swing as the body becomes older and less flexible, and, to Jack's credit he modified his swing several times as he aged. Tiger needs to find a coach to help get this done. Stay tuned.

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Some things just can't be fixed...
 


http://www.thegolfchannel.com/golf-fitness/barkley-time-lay-cable-28864/

 

It's a cool reality/"made" style project.  I admire the hard work, whatever happens.  Don't get the golf channel (I think that's where it airs?) but look forward to seeing it somewhere/sometime.

 

It'll be interesting to see in what direction Tiger does go with his swing.   He's got noticeably less muscle mass now than a year ago, in addition to all the injury issues (necks can be particularly tough to get over), and imo had been relying on brute force, a lot, with his full swing (not really due to Haney's approach at all, just more a great athlete relying on the athletic resources he has rather than a more "pure" armsy swing).  But, he's also getting old enough that making significant swing changes, yet again, will be hard to do. 

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Yes the round mound of rebound was on the first season of the Haney Project on the Golf Channel. Ray Romano is the project for season 2. The first season ended without Charles being fixed. He had made some amazing improvement, but he still had "the hitch" showing up. If you look up train wreck on Wikipedia you will find Sir Charles' swing.

 

I think Tiger can change his swing a lot faster than he can change his "swinging", err, I mean his mental game.

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He he, me no read date on linked article...maybe now's the time for me to subscribe to the Golf Channel...

 

Yeah, when Tiger said he was going back to Buddhism, I was surprised no one asked if in his case he meant Tantric buddhism.  In which case maybe his mental game is rock-solid? 

 

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Ba da bump, tish (rim shot!)

 

If you golf and your TV service has the Golf Channel, you need to have it unless you have self control problems.

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I believe Tiger's best swing was with Harmon as his coach in 2000, when he won the US Open by 15 strokes and destroyed Bob May in the PGA playoff (May never contended in anything again, and I suspect only some of it was injury related).  Then Tiger left Butch to make the swing better, but it never got better.  He remained #1 because his short game kept getting better and his short iron play was mostly supurb. 

 

Now Tiger is bigger, stronger, and also older.  His knee went out, and now it is his neck that hurts.  Every body changes with age.  Who knows if his body will hold up. 

 

Between the block-outs and the snap hooks, something remains wrong. Tiger is good enough and knows enough to be his own swing coach (he can afford $300 of video equipment and a laptop).  Johnny Miller, who was perhaps the finest iron player in history over a three year stretch, had it right when he suggested Tiger go back to the swing he had in 2000.  But he won't because he is convinced Butch Harmon is wrong.  And now he is convinced Haney is also wrong.   If inerves are the only problem, he may never be as good as he was because nerves don't improve with age.  If his neck is the problem, he will be back with yet another swing.

 

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Hank Haney quits as Tiger's Coach.

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Yes the round mound of rebound was on the first season of the Haney Project on the Golf Channel. Ray Romano is the project for season 2. The first season ended without Charles being fixed. He had made some amazing improvement, but he still had "the hitch" showing up. If you look up train wreck on Wikipedia you will find Sir Charles' swing.

 

I think Tiger can change his swing a lot faster than he can change his "swinging", err, I mean his mental game.


 

Rusty,

 

Some things can't be fixed.  India and Pakistan will never  "fix" their claims over Kashmir.  We will never "fix" the problems in Afghanistan.  Kathie Lee Gifford cannot help herself and fix whatever it is that makes her so damn irritating.  There will always be a Kennedy in the news for screwing someone they shouldn't' be screwing, because they are born that way and it can't be fixed.  The Republicans will always be critical of the Democrats for immorality, yet the Republicans will always be caught doing something dumb because they can't fix their greed or stupidity for marrying the "right" wives who are usually frigid.  And Sir Charles Barkley will always have a crappy golf swing because he can't fix his brain from making that jerking motion without a lobotomy. 

 

Will Tiger's swing get fixed?  Only if his nerves aren't shot.  Otherwise, that too will never be straightened out (unlike other parts of his anatomy when he gets near at all those skanks).

 

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Jimmy Fallon said:

 

Hank Haney quit as Tiger's coach via text message. It's gotta be the first time Tiger's ever got a text from someone saying they won't swing with him.

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In a recent survey 1000 women were asked:  "Would you sleep with Tiger Woods if you had a chance?"

 

 

Seventy Five percent said, "Never again."

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Yes the round mound of rebound was on the first season of the Haney Project on the Golf Channel. Ray Romano is the project for season 2. ...


Just saw a couple of the Romano segments yesterday while travelling.   His paying attention to everywhere but where he wanted the ball to go in what I think was the last segment reminded me of a less-good approach to tree and chute skiing. 

 

Not having seen either the earlier segments or what ended up on the cutting room floor, I wonder if Haney tried to change his swing plane(s) a lot more than it changed, or not.  He hit a couple golf shots in what I saw, but his clubface control looked awful to me, and I'm not sure he'll ever get it consistent by polishing down that current swing.  He will break 80 but never consistently with that basic swing. 

 

I'm interested to see what Tiger does with his swing at this point, with the neck and all.  Should make to an interesting phase to his golfing life over the next couple years.  Maybe he goes back to a bit more of Hogan?

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One of the segments had a great before and after showing what Haney had done to Ray's swing. I forget exactly what it was, but it was something like getting the club more laid off at the top and finishing with weight on the front foot vs reverse pivot. The other big thing Hank has done with Ray we have not seen much of on the show. Ray's short game seems to have gotten a ton better with respect to hitting short shots with some loft and stopping power near the hole. There are a lot of little things you can see that Ray has picked up, but the biggest thing is his negative attitude. He still shows a lot of it verbally, but his body language is showing a lot more confidence. The light bulb went on in the last show where he shot 76? doing the two ball self scramble. It's clear that Hank has "introduced" changes to Ray's game, but he needs a lot more work to "own" them. What was really cool was that after watching the last two episodes I went out and shot 79 from the back tees for the first time at one of my local tracks. Thanks Hank!

 

The current issue of Golf Digest rips Tiger's current swing a new one. That article makes it seem like Tiger won't be winning anything this year.

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Awesome re: the 79!

 

I saw some old segments that my brother in law had taped and it's cool to see the progression.  Not really golf-related, but I also had thought that Ray Romano was a basketball coach.  My brother-in-law will probably put that one to good use on me for some time...

 

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