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post #91 of 116

To krp 8128,

do you think Glare is not working on Skis? We got it from a Unsiversity in the Netherlands, because they wanna know if it is working or not. We will have the first Prototype ready next week. Right now, we do not know, if it is working. It is only playing around with new Materials.

post #92 of 116

It's not the "GLARE", so much as the ASS; it sounds like someone has a very shiny posterior, butt, rear end, rectum,.. You get the picture.  Reminds me of my wife's old Atomic ARS skis. 

post #93 of 116

Oh God, now I understand! Now I also know, why my Parents bought me an Atomic ARC not an ARS as I was a Kid :-)!

post #94 of 116

As an American who taught skiing in Europe in the 70's and 80's... I think you guys are giving Head Skis too much credit. There was of course Hart skis... and most of us who could afford it never wanted an American ski until K2 and Hexels, came along in the early 70s...... When I worked in Mammoth, (Mammoth Lakes, CA)  that was the ski of choice because it was developed and tested there. When I taught in the Alps of Germany, it was Atomic and I still skied K2s.

Phil and Steve Mahre made the skis even more popular. But sking is not what it used to be, captured by expensive retailers, mono skis, and flatlanders, who really enjoys it on a daily basis?

post #95 of 116
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Originally Posted by Horst View Post

To krp 8128,

do you think Glare is not working on Skis? We got it from a Unsiversity in the Netherlands, because they wanna know if it is working or not. We will have the first Prototype ready next week. Right now, we do not know, if it is working. It is only playing around with new Materials.



I'd be interested in hearing some more info on the material, do you have any links to the manufacturer pages?

 

 

And as Ghost said, it was pretty much the word ASS that got me. I read "ASS Glare" and just started laughing, for some reason I pictured getting mooned by a big, pale, white...well you get the idea.

post #96 of 116

I read, that you are an Aircraft Engeneer, that was that I thought you know the Material and you think this will never work and we will waste our Time. Till the answer from Ghost, I had no Idea what you were laughing about, now it is clear ,-)!

post #97 of 116

I followed a Qantas A380 into LAX this morning.

post #98 of 116

And Horst why do you say "I will never do that again", about showing Chris ski shops around Europe?  It sounds like you got stabbed in the back.  I could see Hart being more successful if it were one global brand.  Obviously can't expand into different markets if another Hart is already there.

 

post #99 of 116

it is a long Story and has nothing to do with this Thread. It was a Mistake from my Side, sorry. Fujative OCR, if you send me your Mailadress to info@hartskis-europe.com, I would explain it to you. Only so far, the Problem with Hart in the US was in the past, that they were owned by United Sports Group, the Owner of this Group is a Real Estate Manager, now it is owned by Quam which is an Investment Company, both have nothing to do with Skiing, but both think to know how it works. United Sports Group quit 2000! There are Companies like Adidas, they also thought they know how it works, they lost over 1.5 Billion by buying and selling Salomon. Yes, it would be better to work together, but it is impossible.

post #100 of 116

It's great to know some of the new Hart Skis are being made in the USA....Can you answer anything else about the new F-17 Rocket?  Is it wood core? 

post #101 of 116
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It's great to know some of the new Hart Skis are being made in the USA....Can you answer anything else about the new F-17 Rocket?  Is it wood core? 


The F-17 Rocket (F-17 WC) is made in Italy, yes with a wood core.

post #102 of 116

Icelantic Hand Made in USA, Denver Colorado ;-)

post #103 of 116

Can somebody point me in the direction of a ski that ISN'T handmade?

post #104 of 116

Ogasaka in Japan

post #105 of 116

Kneissel in Austria (from another post)

post #106 of 116

Fischer in Austria &UK......raine

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post #108 of 116

??.  I was under the impression all skis are handmade.  Can't really see a Machine doing it start to finish.  Of course the press doesn't count.

post #109 of 116

I had a longer reply but decided it might sidetrack the thread. The short version is, if you cut manufacturing costs in half by moving manufacturing to China, then the seller has the option of keeping the price the same (higher profit per unit) or reducing costs (potentially more units sold). The short-term economics are really that simple. But in either case, you wouldn't be cutting the total price in half, you'd be cutting the total cost by up to half of the manufacturing cost, which is one of many components of the final retail price of any item.

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post #111 of 116
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Originally Posted by FujativeOCR View Post

??.  I was under the impression all skis are handmade.  Can't really see a Machine doing it start to finish.  Of course the press doesn't count.


^^ You are correct in that no machine can do it start to finish.

 

All skis are physically laid up by hand and ski presses all function fundamentally the same.  The variance you are going to see comes in material prep and finishing, which can be almost entirely machine automated or entirely handmade (still using machines, obviously - planers, routers, etc, but certainly not automated or cnc controlled ones).

post #112 of 116



And the time the skis stay in the press.  The longer they are there while the epoxy cures, the less likely the bases become concave (even after the base grind).

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^^ You are correct in that no machine can do it start to finish.

 

All skis are physically laid up by hand and ski presses all function fundamentally the same.  The variance you are going to see comes in material prep and finishing, which can be almost entirely machine automated or entirely handmade (still using machines, obviously - planers, routers, etc, but certainly not automated or cnc controlled ones).

post #113 of 116
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Originally Posted by FujativeOCR View Post

Can somebody point me in the direction of a ski that ISN'T handmade?


I am more interested in a ski that is completely hand made...w/o machines. Maybe Lightning skis? 

post #114 of 116

What about Pilote Skis?

post #115 of 116

Leaf skis..as handmade  as it gets.


Edited by Nobody - 8/26/10 at 8:00am
post #116 of 116

ID One Skis are still made in Japan. 

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