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Hey, Squaw had 20 inches of new this weekend, and I missed it...  So I now am wasting my time on Epic instead of actually skiing, I guess it is therapeutic... 
 

dams dood... 

+++vibes+++
post #92 of 106
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I never said they were best suited for hardpack........if I did id love to see that quote..

this thread is giving me a whole new list of dumb people to skis with at the very least.

Thanks for calling me dumb. Makes me real glad I asked your advice in the other thread. I never said YOU said they were best suited for hardpack, but you seemed like you were trying to show how they can run with cambered skis from those videos. I was trying to say it didn't seem like they could because you were putting in a hell of a lot of effort to get them to run. which dawgcatching said below:

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This topic goes ...round and ...round and ...round.  Seems like we have been here before.  As Jim noted, BWPA's video is good proof that although you can do OK on rockers, the skiing in that video isn't a good "sell" for rockers on hardpack.  Lots of extraneous, gross movements to get the skis to engage and hold is visible there; it isn't clean skiing.  It is exactly what I feel like when I am skiing a wide rockered ski on hardpack: I have to use movements that shouldn't be necessary to get the skis to bite.  So what???  Wide skis that are rockered aren't really suited well to hardpack.  Not really a news flash.

That's all! Anyway, I'm not going to debate the finer details of dawgcatching's points, just pointing out what I was getting at.
post #93 of 106
Well, my cambered skis have been relegated to the early season rock ski category while my early rise tip/tail with camber underfoot are my all-mountain driver.  Would love to get a pair of zero rise/rockered/reverse camber for pow/trees.  They are quick turning in the trees...not so much on hardpack.

Slider, your are right about the rockers giving you high-fives when you're hauling around at Mach 2.   
post #94 of 106
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Originally Posted by mtnbikegirl View Post

  Would love to get a pair of zero rise/rockered/reverse camber for pow/trees.  They are quick turning in the trees...not so much on hardpack.

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Ummm..........It will be a little tough to find a rockered/reverse camber ski with zero rise.

SJ
post #95 of 106
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post




Ummm..........It will be a little tough to find a rockered/reverse camber ski with zero rise.

SJ

 


I think she meant flat camber underfoot but damn I pictured that in my head and cracked up
post #96 of 106
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I think she meant flat camber underfoot but damn I pictured that in my head and cracked up

It sounds like she's looking for some 176 Billy Goats.
post #97 of 106
Don/t count out the new Icelantic Oracle, I think it's a more versitile ski than the BG.  its only early rise tip/tail with camber and 100 underfoot. Not knocking the BG, but the BG is much more pow oriented (not that it's a bad thing)
post #98 of 106
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Don/t count out the new Icelantic Oracle, I think it's a more versitile ski than the BG.  its only early rise tip/tail with camber and 100 underfoot. Not knocking the BG, but the BG is much more pow oriented (not that it's a bad thing)

The BG shape makes its alot more nimble in trees than its dimensions would indicate. Its very much like a stiffer albeit maybe alittle less refined S7.
post #99 of 106
I am still listening, and even archiving some notes.  As a casual, recreational skier who decided this year it was time to get a little better and up the fun factor, I am listening (and lurking).  Since I might never be able to carve a perfect turn, technology that makes it easier to tackle variable terrain, get from point A to point B, and have fun doing it, is interesting to me.

I don't have the time to learn it all myself, so I value the opinions of the experts on this forum. 

No worries about grammatical errors and spelling -- I am more interested in the concepts and messages.  Errors only add to the entertainment value.  Angst can detract, but can be entertaining too.

So keep the opinions coming -- I am still listening (or reading, in this case).


 



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Well I am done argueing because nobody's listening anyways.
post #100 of 106
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

Don/t count out the new Icelantic Oracle, I think it's a more versitile ski than the BG.  its only early rise tip/tail with camber and 100 underfoot. Not knocking the BG, but the BG is much more pow oriented (not that it's a bad thing)

Just to clarify some misconceptions about the BG. There is camber underfoot. And in the tree's...OH WOW! I am not a really accomplished skier. But this weekend I was going faster and skiing better in the tree's than I ever had. The BG's allowed me to ski the most ridiculous lines through tree's. The funny thing is that for such a turny ski they straightline just as good.  And this was my first day on them ever. They were amazing in the pow as expected, and highly manageable on the hardpack once you figure out out to ski them. needles to say. I drank the kool-aid and it was oh so good.
post #101 of 106
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It sounds like she's looking for some 176 Billy Goats.
 

I thought you were just bustin' my balls until I done seent' the next quote... 

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Just to clarify some misconceptions about the BG. There is camber underfoot. And in the tree's...OH WOW! I am not a really accomplished skier. But this weekend I was going faster and skiing better in the tree's than I ever had. The BG's allowed me to ski the most ridiculous lines through tree's. The funny thing is that for such a turny ski they straightline just as good.  And this was my first day on them ever. They were amazing in the pow as expected, and highly manageable on the hardpack once you figure out out to ski them. needles to say. I drank the kool-aid and it was oh so good.
 


The kool aid is indeed delicious.  I found them a bit squirrelly on hardpack but I was expecting that with such a short running length and short effective edge when put on it.  I have yet to try it, but I've been told that all I need to do is detune the tips juuuust a smidge to reduce the hookiness (duh!).  After that, I would be completely happy.  They are very compliant but are far from a carver.  If you like tiny, swively turns and have active knees these skis are going to suit you pretty well.  In the fresh, they are just beyond words.  No, they don't behave like conventional sidecut but in most circumstances I don't want them to.

Rocker will never and should never be on all skis.  It is a fantastic tool to add to a ski when you want added versatility in the fresh though, if you like the more loose, floaty pivot turn feeling rather than that "whole sidecut locked in" surgical carve. 

I'm pumped to hear you liked them, they are a hell of a tool and although they certainly have their shortcomings they are really REALLY good at what they were designed for. 
post #102 of 106
I couldn't resist this seemed to fit soooooo  well here. I hope everyone has a good sense of humor.
 http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/5987841/
post #103 of 106
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

Ummm..........It will be a little tough to find a rockered/reverse camber ski with zero rise.

SJ

 

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Originally Posted by Do Work View Post

I think she meant flat camber underfoot but damn I pictured that in my head and cracked up

Ha ha. Really? What did it look like when you pictured it in your head?
post #104 of 106
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Originally Posted by mittersill View Post

I couldn't resist this seemed to fit soooooo  well here. I hope everyone has a good sense of humor.
 http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/5987841/

Wow...that's never been posted before
post #105 of 106
the post was contrasting the Oracle vs. a BG, the Oracle or just about any ski that is 100 underfoot, mid-flex with early rise tip/tail is goingto be more versitile overall;especially for smaller men and most women skiers than the BG or any ski with those dims.

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Just to clarify some misconceptions about the BG. There is camber underfoot. And in the tree's...OH WOW! I am not a really accomplished skier. But this weekend I was going faster and skiing better in the tree's than I ever had. The BG's allowed me to ski the most ridiculous lines through tree's. The funny thing is that for such a turny ski they straightline just as good.  And this was my first day on them ever. They were amazing in the pow as expected, and highly manageable on the hardpack once you figure out out to ski them. needles to say. I drank the kool-aid and it was oh so good.
 
post #106 of 106
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It looked like a double ejection front flip to me 

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