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looking for versatile mid 80s ski that's a good carver and also decent with some off piste

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
i will have been out 35x this year by season's end (hadn't skiied for 15 yr before this)
..hope to repeat next year to once more ramp up my skills... I don't do any thing super fast or extreme.

 currently i have the '08 head monster im77 (163cm....i stand 168 cm/mid 170s weight)....(a few friends have suggested the imonsters a bit too stiff given my intermediate ability as well as a bit too heavy ...and are holding me back as those skis prefer more aggressive skiers.

so they suggested getting a softer flex ski in the low-mid 80s...i was up at whistler last wkend and demo'd the nordica jet fuel midwaist of 84 (in 170)...wow,nice ski...have read good things on after burner (?) too but a bit softer.

a friend has also offered to sell me a pair of -07-08 fischer watea 84 skis in 167 (skis only) for $125 so I'd have to buy some bindings (hence my other post).

I'm not a fast fast skier and instead I like to carve and sometimes do wider turns (on the steeper pitches when I'm more cautious) and also quicker edge to edge carving on easier sections....but something that can be more forgiving in the bumps and powder.

i do have the older rossi b3 (94 midsection) for my heavier powder days.

problem is in finding a true do it all ski that's good at the top of whistler when they get dumped with say 20 cm to the mid and bottom of the mtn when you get much more groomed stuff....guess there really is not true all mtn ski.
Edited by canali - 4/28/10 at 6:50am
post #2 of 11
I'd suggest a search, plenty of reviews here. Two issues here. First is that If whistler has 20 cm of snow at top, usual changes going down, the B94 will do just fine on its own. Sharpen your edges and rip. An 80-something is just redundant. In all honesty, I'd go buy a real powder ski that can eat heavy snow. The Elan 1010 would work well for you, as would a Goat or Scott P4. 

Second is that if you dump the 77's, you need a real carver. Go for a 70-76 to compliment your B94. Lot out there. Think about a Nordica Mach 3, carbon; Fischer Progressor 8, Dynastar Contact 10; Blizzard Magnum 7.6; all excellent but last would be my first choice.
post #3 of 11
Blizzard Magnum 8.7

87mm underfoot, my 174cm's have a 19.5m sidecut.
I have (somehow) been able to use them everyday (but one day) this season up in Tahoe.
Sure they leaves you wanting more on a powder day (which was like everyday this season) but whatever, they do an admirable job in all conditions.
Lively, rail on the groomers, fun in the bumps, respond to steering inputs (HUGE for a ski that carves a well as this one), maneuverable, really shine in the crud/slush and they even float on a foot (30 cm for you Canadians) of fresh snow (!!!).  

You might find them a little stiff if you liked the Jet Fuel (which I thought had a very soft tip and a stiff tail that created a pretty squirrely thing to have on my feet at high speed).
But in the same breath I have yet to met any skier, intermediate to expert that had anything negative to say about the Magnum 8.7.

However I have yet to meet myself and I do have a few negative comments after 120+ days.
  1. They should have been a twin
  2. They could lighten them up a bit so its easier to throw 360's
  3. I wish I had gone longer (181 cm) 
  4. and I wish they were more fun in 4 feet (120 cm) of powder

But you can't have everything and the Blizzard Magnum 8.7 DOES get pretty damn close.

Good luck and I hope I've convinced you to go out and at least demo the 8.7's
post #4 of 11
Definitely demo before buying!

A couple of suggestions of skis that I liked that might be a good fit:

Dynastar Legend Saltan 80 or 85

Blizzard Magnum 8.1 or 8.7 IQ Max
post #5 of 11
 There are nice mid 85mm waisted skis that suite a lighter finesse skier well. If you are going with the Nordicas, the flat HR Pro is a great ski, IMHO much nicer than their XBS system skis, lighter, livelier and more playful without loosing the precision that you would expect from a Nordica. The offering of the Watea (assuming it is an 84 and not a 78) for 125 is tough to pass, buy it, ski for for a while, demo, and worse case, you have some rock skis. 
post #6 of 11
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

Second is that if you dump the 77's, you need a real carver. Go for a 70-76 to compliment your B94. Lot out there. Think about a Nordica Mach 3, carbon; Fischer Progressor 8, Dynastar Contact 10; Blizzard Magnum 7.6; all excellent but last would be my first choice.
 I almost never venture into advice on equipment, but I have to chime in here.  You don't need a dedicated carver at Whistler.  If the snow is that bad on the whole mountain that you would want one, rent or go bowling.  The snow will be better tomorrow.

I was thinking of the Elan 888 for you, or next year's model which has a different name (can't remember it) and is a bit softer, which is just what you're asking for.
post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 
 what of the blizzard 8.1 (since I have the older rossi b3 in a 94 waist) as a compromise to replace the head monster im77 (to soon sell) or the fatter blizzard 8.7.

and anyone demo'd the atomic's slightly older blackeye or nomad series ?

PS thanks everyone for your helpful advice...i'm going to research and demo those skis suggested.
post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by canali View Post

 what of the blizzard 8.1 (since I have the older rossi b3 in a 94 waist) as a compromise to replace the head monster im77 (to soon sell) or the fatter blizzard 8.7.

 

I found the 8.1's to be a little better than the 8.7 off piste and in bumps. 
post #9 of 11
Normally I would not recommend buying equipment based on price, but $125 for a used Fischer Watea 84 sounds hard to pass up. Add bindings and mounting for another $200 to $250 and it is still a good deal. If it turns out that you don't like the Watea you could still resell it for close to what you paid. Also going up 4cm in length to 167cm sounds about right.
post #10 of 11
I'm with DanoT; the Watea 84 may or may not be the ideal ski for you but it is a great ski at a great price. As one that owns Wateas and several other 80-90mm waisted skis(many which have been mentioned on this thread, I think it would be a very good ski for your needs.
post #11 of 11
Try before you buy. (You might make an exception for the used Wateas - cheap enough that there's  nothing to lose there.)

Some suggestions to try:

Dynastar Sultan 85 (or the 80 if you want to ease it down a notch)  I liked these a lot, so I bought a pair.  Easy to ski, very balanced, nice carves, decent in crud. Not an Eastern Ice Skate, but I've got other skis for that, and you don't need it..

K2 Apache Recons (or the Apache Raider if you're looking for something more forgiving).  A reliable choice.

K2 Aftershock - this is their new rockered all mountain ski from the richtor series.  I don't know if it's for you, but I was favorably impressed.  The rocker makes it ski shorter (think easier, more forgiving) on the firm stuff, and provides better float in the soft stuff.  You have to ski it a bit differently than other skis - a more upright, centered stance than the "lean forward, pressure the tips" approach that most of us have used all these years.

I only got to demo K2, Dynastar, and Volkl this year, so the list is not exhaustive. These are the ones I tried that seem to be what you're after. 
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