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What's better on piste - GS or SL ski?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hopefully a simple question...
I have a pair of SL skis and I love to ping around the piste on these.  But inevitably at speed I do feel them nagging underneath me desperate for me to put a turn in.  I can imagine GS would be better for general piste skiing mostly to get a bit of stability at speed.  But I do love my nippy turns.
Would I be better off getting a pair of GS skis?  I don't think I can justify having both unfortunately!
post #2 of 18
SLaG2,
Try some "cheater GS" skis. Race construction skis with a tighter turning radius than a true GS ski.  Most are between 14m (closer to SL) & 18m turning radius.  There are also "oversize" skis which are usually a bit wider than a traditional race ski.  This season, I have been skiing on a pair of 170cm Rossi 80ti's.  They have an 80mm waist with an 18m turning radius.  They are a versatile groomer ski, but have enough beef for shallow crud, bumps & some speed.
JF
post #3 of 18
If you are going to be skiing at GS speeds, you should get GS skis.  If your going to keep it under 35 mph go SL.  Instead of making that hard choice, consider getting older gs and sl skis for the same price as new current skis.

Pros and Cons.
SL will help you develop your short turns faster.
GS will arc turns at higher speeds.

You could always get a "cheater" gs ski with a radius between SL and GS.  Something like Head i.speed or Fischer WC RC.
post #4 of 18
Hi skilikeagirl2, welcome to Epic.  

Yes, a GS ski will provide more stability when carving at speed, but the question is do you want to ski at speed all the time?  If you don't, a GS ski will (more than a SL ski) require you to throw some steering in to reduce your radius and dump speed.  It's a tough choice.  

Personally, for days when I'm skiing with friends I bring out my Slalom skis.  When I want to go out by myself and open it up a bit I bring my GS skis.  I'm probably on my Slaloms more often, and feel very secure on them at up to about 40mph (usually faster than those I'm skiing with care to travel).  That security comes from staying on a very clean carving edge, staying balanced, and being subtle.  

Don't be too quick to rule out a second pair of skis, they may be more affordable than you think.  Second hand stock GS race skis with little use can be picked up on Ebay early season for around $350 or less, race plates and binding included.  



  
post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 
SLaG?!  Gosh didn't think of that when naming myself!

I definitely want a 'race' ski, I can get factory race skis 2nd hand at a good price.  I suppose I have a ski mid way between but it's just not stiff enough or long enough to be much fun, very much a hangover ski.  I want something that will scare me and I can scare my friends when I rip past them.  I guess speed is more of a thrill than slaloming gapers and will progress my skiing a bit more.
Hate the thought of selling skis!
post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 
But it's not a second pair... it's a 5th pair!  My SLs are only 155 so maybe that's why I'm so keen for something longer.     I don't live in the mountains and while I'll probably move for the season, if I only end up doing a few weeks I'll be back here asking which skis should I take on the plane!

Guess not such a simple question afterall!
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by skilikeagirl2 View Post

SLaG?!  Gosh didn't think of that when naming myself!

I definitely want a 'race' ski, I can get factory race skis 2nd hand at a good price.  I suppose I have a ski mid way between but it's just not stiff enough or long enough to be much fun, very much a hangover ski.  I want something that will scare me and I can scare my friends when I rip past them.  I guess speed is more of a thrill than slaloming gapers and will progress my skiing a bit more.
Hate the thought of selling skis!

What 1/2 way ski do you have now?
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by skilikeagirl2 View Post

SLaG?!  Gosh didn't think of that when naming myself!

I definitely want a 'race' ski, I can get factory race skis 2nd hand at a good price.  I suppose I have a ski mid way between but it's just not stiff enough or long enough to be much fun, very much a hangover ski.  I want something that will scare me and I can scare my friends when I rip past them.  I guess speed is more of a thrill than slaloming gapers and will progress my skiing a bit more.
Hate the thought of selling skis!
I think you have answered your own question.  Seems like GS skis are for you.

Who wants to write skilikeagirl2 everytime, I mean skilikeagirl2, I have to think about that before I type it.  There are 12 letters & a number in the handle skilikeagirl2, that's a lot of typing.

JF
post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
What 1/2 way ski do you have now?

Head power one, suppose it's sort of in between! 

4ster, that was easy to write... yes I definitely do want a GS ski but I do love the nippyness of the SL (I have Rossi 9s at the mo).  I guess realistically I'm more into back country stuff, so the only time I go on piste now is to rip.  (I'll just have to spend more on hot chocolate at the bottom waiting for everyone else to catch up!)
post #10 of 18
Here is an idea...  GS ski on one foot and a Slalom ski on the other!

I win.
post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by thesoggycow View Post
Here is an idea...  GS ski on one foot and a Slalom ski on the other!
I win.

post #12 of 18
1) Keep 9S for when you need a SL turn fix, or for slower skiing with friends and family.
2) Buy  GS ski for the rest of the time.
post #13 of 18
I have the Rossi 9S but also have the 9x GS in 188's and love them.  Yes, you can't rip off the tight turns with the GS skis but you can get pretty close in a pinch, like when you have to slow down for a crowd of people or a narrow run.  Where I live it's all groomed runs so unless I am skiing the bumps I am on my GS skis.  I thought they would like like turning an ocean liner but not at all, a pleasure to ski, your not as tired at the end of the run and go twice as fast.  Yes, carving the tight turns is cool but hauling ass in complete control, even on ice is so much fun.  Demo'd the 09' Atomic GS skis at Alta this year and LOVED them.  Just hot lapped the Collins lift over and over passing everyone.
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by Chris Walkoe View Post

I have the Rossi 9S but also have the 9x GS in 188's and love them.  Yes, you can't rip off the tight turns with the GS skis but you can get pretty close in a pinch, like when you have to slow down for a crowd of people or a narrow run.  Where I live it's all groomed runs so unless I am skiing the bumps I am on my GS skis.  I thought they would like like turning an ocean liner but not at all, a pleasure to ski, your not as tired at the end of the run and go twice as fast.  Yes, carving the tight turns is cool but hauling ass in complete control, even on ice is so much fun.  Demo'd the 09' Atomic GS skis at Alta this year and LOVED them.  Just hot lapped the Collins lift over and over passing everyone.

who goes to alta to ski groomers?
post #15 of 18
 GS....easier
post #16 of 18
I skied Snowbird the first two days, bowl skiing at Alta the next day and then groomers the last day at Alta.  If you don't think a day of groomers at Alta isn't fun you haven't tried it!  $50 for boots and all the racing skis you would ever want to try at the shop right next to the Collins lift.  Got my speed fix for sure.  Always some racers practicing their craft, fun to see who gets to the bottom first... 
post #17 of 18
 It all depends where you ski, so it's kinda hard to tell what would work best for you. Personally I use GS as much as I can, but with >27m radius and with that related speed, which is normally A LOT faster the rest of people on course are, you can easily have problems with too many people on course. That's my reason, why I normally have pair of SL skis in car. So if it gets too crowded, I change them. But as I said, personally I prefer GS speed, so if there smallest chance for it, I go with GS. But that's just me :)
post #18 of 18
FWIW,
I have the 13-m Fischer WC SC from a few years back in 165cm.  I also just replaced it as a daily driver with a pair of obsolete GS skis I picked up for cheap, 2002 P50 F1s in 188.  I still prefer the SCs when skiing slowly with friends and family, but for general all-around use, the older GS skis work just fine.  While they are not a slalom ski, they are flexible enough to arc a fairly tight turn, and at the factory tune of 1-2, they are also pretty easy to get along with when you need to smear a turn.
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