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Marker Jester/Griffon vs. Rossignol Freeski2 120/140

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I've been looking for some bindings to go with the Watea 94s I'm ordering and I was wondering what people prefer between the Marker Royal Family, specifically Jester/Griffon and the Rossi Freeski2. I'm an agressive advanced skier so I need something with good support that won't pre-release. I set my DIN at 8, and I heard you want to be around the middle of your bindings DIN range. So whether I get Markers or Rossis should I go with the higher DIN? The Jesters have a max of 16 and the Griffons 12 and the Rossis are 14 and 12. The two Rossis only have a price diff of about $15 and I've found them significantly cheaper than the Markers, especially Jesters. So I guess what I'm most likely deciding between are Freeski2 140s and Griffons.
post #2 of 22
Thread Starter 
Jester (110mm)- $238 (skis are 94mm waist-is 110mm a problem?)
Griffon- $180
Freeski2 140- $183
Freeski2 120- $164

The Jesters are the probably the best deal but are they worth the extra $55 over the Freeski2 140s?
post #3 of 22
You can find the Rossi/Look/Dynastar 12 din's cheaper than that. Just look a little. Having been on both The Markers and the Look's this year, I would say that I have preferred the Look's(Rossi) over the Marker's. I had to many pre-releases in the heel's of the Markers when I could have recovered from getting bucked forward.
Both are solid bindings, but the Rossi/Look/Dynastars are such a better deal everywhere.

Here you go:

http://www.evogear.com/outlet-shop/ski/bindings.aspx
post #4 of 22
Thread Starter 
wow great deals thanks! pre-release has been a problem with me on some salomons so I want whatever will stay on the best. Is the look PX line the equivalent of Freeski2 for Rossi?
post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 
jw what marker bindings were u on? from what I've heard it sounds like the Royal Family bindings are much better than most other Markers
post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 
I've looked everywhere online and these prices I have listed are still the best I can find for these bindings. I'll probly go with the Jesters or Freeski2 140s. I want a higher max DIN than 12. probly not necessary but why not for $20 more?
post #7 of 22
Thread Starter 
apparently the Marker Royal Family bindings are some of the few if not only bindings that are built for a wider ski (70mm minimum vs. 63). what do u think about this? also would I want a binding with more or less lift with Watea 94s?
post #8 of 22
 Sean-  I own both 12-DIN looks and 14-DIN Looks, and I ski them on DIN 8.5.  Neither has yet pre-released on me.  Look/Rossi is a solid binding, even in DIN12.  If there is a negative, it is weight- they are relatively heavy bindings.  But at DIN8 you should not worry about prerelease on either one.  For 20 bucks you might as well get a DIN14 LOOK.  Griffon should be fine too, Jester is overkill. 
post #9 of 22
Thread Starter 
ya weights one reason I'm leaning toward the Jesters. Plus my dad has dynastars (PX 12 i think) and he doesn't like them that much. I know one reason is they're kinda hard to get out of. ive used his and its true. there might be other reasons he doesn't like them though. back to the Jesters, what do u mean they're "overkill"?
post #10 of 22
Like I said in your other thread: His point is that there is no reason to spend the extra money & weight on the Jester because you don't need a binding that beefy.
post #11 of 22
Thread Starter 
ya and and in my other thread u also said ideally u want to be around the middle of ur bindings DIN settings which for me would be the Jester 16s since I set my DIN at 8.
post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 
has anyone here tried the Griffons that can tell me how they compare to the Rossis? r they made the same or is it less metal and less durable? i found those at a good price
post #13 of 22
You're not going to get better performance out of the Griffons. I have used both a lot this year. Both are solid binders. Go with the good savings on the Rossi's. As far as hard to get off. I guess it's a matter of opinion. But how many times do you take your ski's off during the day?
post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by Sean Stratford-Jones View Post

ya and and in my other thread u also said ideally u want to be around the middle of ur bindings DIN settings which for me would be the Jester 16s since I set my DIN at 8.
The jester is 6-16 not 1-16.
post #15 of 22
 I tried Gotamas with Griffon and found them equally hard to get out of. I ended up getting Watea94/Rossi 140XL (killer deal on Wateas@o2gearshop and exercised REI's annual refund on bindings) - my settings are DIN8. Rossi looks sturdier - that plastic on the toe piece of Markers feels flimsy. I skied on Mt Hood, OR in the powdery morning, some hard pack and afternoon soft. Both bindings and skis behave really well
Good luck,

VladL
post #16 of 22

STOP AGONIZING OVER BINDINGS!

 

Just pick up a killer deal and go ski. You can't go wrong with any of Look PX/Rossi Axial2/Freeski2/Marker Griffon/Jester or a bunch of other company's bindings. You don't need more than DIN 12 and there's little point paying for more.

For the record I ski 10-20 bindings on 10 and 3-10 bindings on 9 (and some 4-12 and 5-14 bindings too), and I come out of 'em just fine when needed.

post #17 of 22
 The Rossi/Look 12 and 14 PX Din heel pieces will eventually 'loosen up" 

the best for your needs is the Look FKS 140. It combines looks retention, with a solid heel piece, with out the weight of the jester or FKS 180 or PX15s. 

Everyone always suggest to buy a binding thats lower DIN because "I/you dont need a binding over 12 din" Din isnt the only reason to buy a higher end binding!!

Higher end all metal(or mostly metal) binding last longer, many will out last the skis they are mounted on. the stiffer binding will give you a more solid on edge snow feel than the cheaper 12 Din binding, 

Lastly I have 2 skis with royal family binding on them and although marker has gotten rid of hte prerelease problem on the toe, the heel can still prerelease. I try to run the lowest possible DINs I can without prereleasing and that number is 10 toe 12 heel on Marker Royal family binding where as it is 9 on Look FKS 140s. your numbers be lower but the Looks keep your skis on with out ever torqueing your leg.
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by KirkwoodBandit View Post

Like I said in your other thread: His point is that there is no reason to spend the extra money & weight on the Jester because you don't need a binding that beefy.
I agree with this.
We have the Griffon's on several pair of our skis for me and Terry.  Its a fine binding and we've never had an issue with prerelease.
If anyone is going to have a  prerelease issue it would be Terry. 
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

If anyone is going to have a  prerelease issue it would be Terry. 
 

You did not just post that!!!

Why do I suspect there are long threads on SkiDivas dedicated to these 'issues'.
post #20 of 22
 Sean Stratford-Jones:

I've got the exact same set-up - just purchased Watea 94's and am putting on Marker Griffon 12's. I haven't mounted or skied them yet so can' comment on 'experience'.

I actually have a second pair of brand new Griffons, that I may be willing to sell if you're interested.  PM me if you would to want to consider purchasing the Griffons.
post #21 of 22

Freeski 120's weigh about 6lb to Griffon's about 4lb. May not matter much for downhill, but in case anyone cares.

post #22 of 22
What about relative ramp angle? is that a consideration? It was observed by a ski shop that shall remain nameless that the Marker (royal) has a steep angle. Is that right?
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