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post #31 of 69
Somebody already mentioned Plymouth State in NH, but I just wanted to mention that it is known as a teacher's college. There is a small mountain (Tenney) in Plymouth and Waterville Valley, Loon, and Cannon are less than half an hour's drive away. You also can get a really good deal on a 4 mountain pass as a student, but that's probably true at a lot of locations.
post #32 of 69
Another point to make is your willingness to take on student loans.  I know of a few people who a few years into their careers are buried in student loan payments, making decent salaries seem very small.

Try to keep your loan amounts down as low as you can.  $500 a month (of after tax money) is a lot, and you could easily build up more then that.

Starting in a Community College and then transferring to a 4 year college after a couple of years is a cheap way to get an education btw.  Usually most of the credits will transfer over.  Not that I'm saying it's the way to go, just a thought.

Loans suck.
post #33 of 69
Yeah, this is why in MT the guy had to be working and attending school only part time, and having worked enough to save up money at the end. 

Originally Posted by drb View Post

Most states do not let you declare residency if you have lived there only for school - better check U of U's specific policy. Many will not let you declare residency if you are not independent (e.g. still listed as a dependent on your parents taxes, and have not earned enough $ to live independently).
post #34 of 69

-You haven't mentioned much about what size of a school you'd be most comfortable at. Will you be comfortable at a bigger school like U of U with tens of thousands of students? Do you have lots of self-motivation? Are you good at figuring things out on your own? Schools of different sizes have their pros and cons. Smaller schools like Colorado College or Gonzaga tend to have smaller classes, more mentors, and a more close-knit student body. Larger schools have a huge variety of course options and majors to choose from, more going on (all sorts of seminars to check out for enrichment plus entertainment and sports), and being just a number can have its advantages (if you hated the cliques and gossip of a high school, you'll still find it at a large university, but you'll be able to escape it fairly easily). Lastly, if you've always loved learning and being smart but found school too structured, schools like Reed College in Portland and Evergreen College in Olympia, WA might fit the bill.

-The dorm experience can be a really great thing for study gropus and also for developing socially. You may very well meet some of the best friends of your life while living in these tiny rooms.

-Avoiding loans is an excellent idea. One of the most important things to learn in life is the power of compounding interest and therefore how much saving helps and borrowing hurts. However, if you have the means, you might benefit from choosing a decent 4 year program over a community college and choosing an excellent school over an inexpensive one. College is a good time to dream big and dreaming big is contagious. The better the school, the bigger the dreams typically. Not all dreams come true, but it's probably better to aim high and not quite make it than to aim low and meet your goal. I know people that hate having student loans to pay off, but I don’t think any of them wished they had gone to a more inexpensive college.

-You'll learn a lot in your 4 years at college and one of those things may be that you want to pick a different major. A school with some different options is a good thing to consider.

-Not sure where you've grown up, but if you've grown up somewhere rural or suburban, going to college in a larger city with culture and a diverse population can enrich your experience. If you've grown up in New York City, 4 years might be a long time in farm country, but it would be valuable to see what life outside of the big city is like.

-a biased opinion here that if you think U of U is the right fit for you in terms of school size and academics, I'd recommend U of Washington. Excellent school, skiing isn't as good as Utah, but it will blow anything on the east away; one hour from the most challenging 500 acre ski area you'll find (Alpental), Crystal is an awesome area less than 2 hours away, year round skiing on Rainier, plus you have Baker and Whistler which are doable as a vacation trip. Seattle is a beautiful city with lots of outdoors activities within the city, decent amount of culture, and an international population. Only downside is less halter tops than a school like Arizona State or USC.

post #35 of 69
Ron makes some excellent points.  A lot of people become lost in huge colleges the size of Penn State, for instance, where I went for grad school.  On the other hand, at a small school, if you change your mind about your major, is the alternate major available at the school you've picked or will you now have to transfer?  Will you get "three times the education" at a pricey school as you will at a state run school?  That, of course, depends on the schools in question, and how much the contacts you make at the pricier school might be worth later. 

Don't just look at the skiing, whatever you do.  There's good skiing all over the West. 
post #36 of 69
Thread Starter 
thanks to every1 including ron for helpin me out this far, here are some answers to Ron's post;
I live in NYC but have a house that I go to every weekend and during summers, so I have no problem being in a rural or urban area. I know that the U of U has lots of ppl there, but I am pretty good at figuring things out on my own and not depending on other people. I am very social but when it comes down to studying for a huge test the next day or going to a great party, I know what my priorities are and will study that night. Also, my college advisor as well as my father advised me to stay in the dorms the 1st year. My dad said that based on personal experience, saying that you can focus on school more while being social and attending events held by the Univ.

To the people that encourage me to transfer from a local school or vice-versa; I see the benefits from transferring from a local college, but I would rather stay away from it all and get the full college experience. Maybe some or most people will disagree with me on this one, but my community colleges are not good and I will know manyy people from that college, since it is less than half a mile from my high school. I really want to get away from this environment, where I know every person and every street, go to the same places Ive been going to for the last 16 years, experience something new, and going to a community college is not it. I will def.  miss my family way too much, but I gotta learn some time to be independent, and IMO, the sooner the better.

I am not 100% on what I want to be when I grow up (who is at 16)... Right now, and for the last year, Ive been interested in teaching elementary students, but it could change as I enter college and see all of the opportunities.

To sum it up for the night, I am aiming at a 4 yr college without transferring. If I dont get in to the Univ.'s that I want to, I'll prob. end up going to a local college and then transferring, but I'm thinking I can get in to at least 1 of them.

To sib; Of course I am not looking at just skiing when it comes to college and where it is located, but I'm not going to lie, its up there in the list... Maybe its bad, but I want college to benefit me every way it can, and good education+ good skiing = The happiest person youll ever meet, and the U of U provides both for me(of course there's many others, just naming one).

About the residency, it does state that you must "not be claimed as a dependent on the tax returns of a person who is not a resident of Utah." I am looking at getting a job, hopefully its enough. I know it will be hard, but I will work hard for something that I want or need. 

Thank you alllll for the info, I cant tell you how much you all are helping me. I cant talk to college advisors about colleges in detail until I am a senior, and my guidence counselors dont know anything about colleges.
post #37 of 69
I believe Plymouth State students ski'd at Cannon for $8 this year.....they make an arrangement with a local hill every year.

Many skiing Plymouth State students join local ski schools and teach skiing at local areas. Waterville Valley is a common choice for this.

Then they ski for $0 make some money and gain some valuable work experience too.

Plymouth is a nice little town too, def worth your time for a visit.....tours run by students are given all the time.

As with many schools the Plymouth State web site is outstanding....

Good luck with your quest, and have fun with it! 
post #38 of 69
Personally, I think it is fine to have skiing as a priority with respect to school choice. It speaks to a culture/value system that I believe is admirable (and clearly is important to many of those of us on this forum), and it reflects a clear sense of who you are and what you care about (as you say, not necessarily common at 16).

Student tour guide when we visited MSU was from near us in Mass. When I asked why he was there he looked at me like I was nuts. "Bridger Bowl. And the engineering school is pretty good, too." MSU makes no bones about it - their literature has a skier on the cover.

Ron is correct that UW would be an excellent choice (my best bud called me from Crystal this past Sunday - closing day.) However, it is competitive for admission - you'd need to ramp up your academic game. Same for Colorado College and CU Boulder.

Again, be aware - most states make it difficult to claim residency, they want those OOS dollars.
post #39 of 69
With 2 kids in college (CU Boulder, UVM) I am intimately familiar with the mt.-school oriented search process. You are correct that your guidance counselors will have no clue about western schools - you are on your own. The College Confidential site is an excellent resource, but even it is east coast/CA biased. U of U, MSU don't even have links (probably because kids there have better things to do).

One recent potentially useful thread:

TGR can be useful as well, once you get past the skier/stoner/dude content.
post #40 of 69
Thread Starter 
The only problem with getting residency is what was mentioned before, I gotta be stated as independent on tax ..Guess Ill have to work in UT
post #41 of 69
I went to graduate school at CU Boulder and highly recommend it as a great town that is near excellent skiing. I left 20 years ago and would like to move back there. Not sure how much the tuition is these days.
post #42 of 69
im gonna go ahead and throw the university of wyoming into the mix, its where im at now, with your gpa and test scores you should be able to get a decent scholarship that will cover all out of state expenses leaving you with about 8000 a year tuition. Dont let the low tuition fool you wyoming has oil money and alot of it since its the only four year school in the state the UW gets plenty of funding, steamboat is two hours away winter park is about three and breck keystone copper are around four, the backcountry here is amazing with two old lost ski areas and medicine bow peak, and you can ski medicine bow clear into late june/july, the local area is snowy range and its definantly a ho hum family area but its alright for the price.
post #43 of 69
CU Boulder is expensive and fairly competitive for admission. U Wyoming definitely priced right and has a teacher's college if I recall. Lots of oil money as stated and lots of new building going up. (interesting factoid: UW's 10-story dorm is the second tallest building in the state). Access is a problem for OOS, long drive from Denver. And the wind in Laramie never stops.
post #44 of 69


CU Boulder is expensive and fairly competitive for admission. U Wyoming definitely priced right and has a teacher's college if I recall. Lots of oil money as stated and lots of new building going up. (interesting factoid: UW's 10-story dorm is the second tallest building in the state). Access is a problem for OOS, long drive from Denver. And the wind in Laramie never stops.

just a few quick facts to correct, the 12 story white hall (complete with tunnel to dining hall) is the tallest building in the state, really it hasnt been all that windy this winter untill this week, now its blowing like usual 50mph gusts today and yes there is a college of education. About an hour 45 to denver through cheyenne then south on I-25. But around here we think of 2 hours as a short drive for skiing. Also steamboat usually does a college six pack which is an unbeatable deal, six days for 100 bucks. If you like or want a small town atmosphere and small class sizes UW is the place to be.
post #45 of 69
And, at the University of Wyoming, they'll let you listen to both kinds of music - Country and Western!

The state has also attempted to classify wolves as varmints so that you can blast away at them 24/7, 365 days a year. I think the Feds may have nixed that one, though.

Some of the roads between UW and Steamboat become, shall we say, difficult, if the weather is really good for skiing. I lived in Fort Collins, Colorado for 23 years. A 2-hour drive that turns into a 4-hour drive in ugly weather is a bit of a drag, to say the least.

I understand that University of Northern Colorado in Greeley is a good teacher's college, but it has the same driving distance problem. And it's in Greeley, which is fine if you like eau-de-feedlot.
post #46 of 69
dont listen to cooley too much, ive never had a problem getting to steamboat via mountain home walden rabbit ears pass even in 2 ft of powder, i do drive a 4wd truck and the longest travel time was just over 3 hrs. AND we listen to more than just country, yea sure theres a few cowboys but theres plenty atmosphere for rock rap alt ect, for example flobots had a free concert in the union last saturday. Also the reason they wanted to classify wolves as varmints was to protect ranchers livestock, not because were a bunch of gun crazy hicks and laramie is becoming a more and more open cultured town
post #47 of 69
Thread Starter 
havent been on here for a little and am def. gonna look at U of wyoming. 3-4 hour drive every time i wanna hit good backcountry slopes is a lot, but ill look into it anyway!
post #48 of 69

Idaho State University in Pocatello, ski hill 30 minutes away with some great BC. SLC ski areas 3 hours away Targhee and JH 2.5-3 hours.

Summer there is blue ribbon fishing and the MTB is pretty good right out of town.


Boise is okay but I rather dislike the drive up to the ski hill, Moscow and the U of I you have to drive 2 hours for skiing. It does depend on what your degree will be in.

post #49 of 69

North Idaho Collage in Cd'A, ID; this is a little sleeper school for you.  


Silver Mt  offers some fine stuff and no passes to negotiate on a powder day (about 30 minute drive) cheap passes.

Lookout Pass: smaller but a great powder mountain, and chap tickets (maybe 1 hr east).

Schweitzer: this is a way under rated area with lots of good stuff (1 hr north).

More drivable areas: Mt. Spokane, 49 Degrees, Eastern BC doable less than 100 miles.

All the back country your heart desires or your legs can stand.


Good tourist type town within walking distance = jobs.

They are on Lake Coeur d' Alene, with a really great collage beach club and all the good stuff for the green season.

Minutes from Spokane = airport, concerts, shopping.

Pretty good weather; very temperate, and about 20" precip/year in town.


Oh ya, pretty too.  The lake was rated by National Geographic as one of the 10 most beautiful in the world.

post #50 of 69

oh and theres some great backcountry in the medicine bow range 35 miles from laramie, but it takes a snowmobile or one hell of a hike to get to it

post #51 of 69
Thread Starter 

Idaho sounds like it has some promising colleges, ill have to add them to my list to look up and apply to!! thx for the info, keep it comin!

post #52 of 69

Last year i was in the exact situation you are and I would say check out montana state university. Its not difficult to get into, a good school, and best of all the closest mountain is bridger bowl, which has some of the best back/sidecountry skiing in the U.S. Its about 23k per year for tuition and room and board so its a little more than you were hoping for, but the snow is worth it.

post #53 of 69

If you have the time take a look at the University of Wisconsin - Stevens Point.  Though you would think Wisconsin is the last place you would want to ski there is a nice ski hill 25 min from campus that you can literally ski at every day during the season.  Yes, it's Midwest skiing but for $350 season pass it has enough vertical to get your fix.  Steep runs with chairs half way down the hills to make laps, and an express quad chair that takes you through two terrain parks on the way down.  I ski them like the ski cross guys, it's so much fun, and there is even a stupid jump that I steer clear of.  Mogul runs too!  If that's not enough Mt. Bohemia is 3 hours away in Upper Michigan, not to mention about 4 other nice places to ski.  Bohemia is great powder skiing and freeride territory.  Check out the website, you won't believe it.  As for your first concern the University is second to none in Division 3 schools and has a fantastic college for the major you want to pursue.  Roughly 8,000 students, perfect size campus in a great town.  Out of state tuition would be easily half of what Utah is charging.  Cheap flights from Milwaukee or Chicago back to NY.  Cost of living is nothing.  Green Bay Packer football 70 min from campus.  And our basketball team won the national championship D3 this year.  If you want to go out west the ski club has a trip over Christmas and Spring Break for cheap.  I know what everyone is saying, Utah or Colorado for school and I agree but this is definately a happy medium. 

post #54 of 69

As I said earlier, one part time year will get you in state residency.  My daughter was in state, and I'm pretty sure that we paid varying amounts between $12k-$14k including room and board, depending on the number of courses and whether she was in the dorms (much pricier) or off campus.  She wasn't quite as nuts about Bridger Bowl, having only arrived on weekends with everyone else, but that's because her home mountain is larger and has a faster lift system.  Bridger has a lot of fans. 

Originally Posted by William Maxwell View Post

Last year i was in the exact situation you are and I would say check out montana state university. Its not difficult to get into, a good school, and best of all the closest mountain is bridger bowl, which has some of the best back/sidecountry skiing in the U.S. Its about 23k per year for tuition and room and board so its a little more than you were hoping for, but the snow is worth it.

post #55 of 69
Thread Starter 

Im liking the Montana State U- Bozeman a lot, although only 64% were admitted. It really depends on what my SAT and ACT grades are, if I get a 10-10.5 out of 16 on SATs, i prob wont make it to there, let alone get a scholarship.I really am just looking for a college near a big mountain that offers education and isn't a community college (a little challenging, but doesnt have a 100% acceptancy rate) 20k is a reasonable price for out of state including dorming, but its rlly hard to find a college that has those standards. Im going to try for the U of U and MSU, and the U of U does have an 80% acceptancy rate, so hopefully I get into a college I really want to get into instead of a local college with crap skiing and doesnt benefit me at all. Thanks for all the help, if there are any more colleges out there, let me knoww!! ive looked at every college mentioned and its helping me get a feel of whats out there

post #56 of 69

MooU is always a great choice for a ski college, it was the first stop on my magical mystery tour.  Bridger has rocked for years.


2 others to consider. 

Utah St is another good school w/ Beaver Mt just up the road; my sister went this way. 

U of Alaska Anchorage; I finished here, they offer in state rates to a lot of different states in reciprocation.  Would Alyeska rate as a big mountain?  Flights up that way can actually be fairly cheap.


Best of luck wherever you go.

post #57 of 69

i have friends who were accepted to msu with under 2.5 GPAs and around 1200 SAT last year so i wouldnt worry to much about getting in there.

post #58 of 69

Al least per my daughter, MSU accepted pretty much everyone and let them discover on their own they couldn't make it once they got there...

post #59 of 69

just make sure you have a beacon, shovel, and probe for that class. if you dont have the necessary equipment they wont let you be in the good class.

post #60 of 69

Considered UVM or USC at all?  Both are big ski schools, perhaps a little out of your price range, but I thought I'd throw it out there.  UVM has, or at least had (not sure if they still do) the biggest Ski and Snowboard Club in the country, and also have a pretty unique freestyle team

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