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Line Mothership vs. Volkl Gotama...please help

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
i am in the market for a pair of powder skis, something with more float that will help right after the big storms. i have done a ton of internet research but now need your advice. it looks like the two skis that fit the bill are the Line Mothership or. Volkl Gotama. i am open to other suggestions. also what size should i be looking at??

a little about me...6' 2" 250 pounds. my everyday driver and only set of skis is a Watea 84, which i really like (awesome single quiver ski). so this will be a second and hopefully last pair (famous last words) i spend a good portion of my time on piste or moving in and out of the side areas between runs. I ski blue and black runs in Tahoe (Northstar, Sierra, Squaw, Suger bowl, etc..). maybe the occasional trip to Mammoth, Utah, Whistler, but never hard pack, never even seen a ski resort in the east (sorry).   hope that helps. i appreciate your thoughts.

a few more adds: for me the Watea is snappy, super easy to turn on a dime, light as can be and pretty quick (i keep the edges sharp and the bottoms waxed), it chatters like crazy at speed and can bounce around a lot of chopped up snow. it also feels like sometimes i am going to fly right over the front of them.  

cheers.
Edited by opimian - 4/11/10 at 6:40pm
post #2 of 21
 The Mother Ship and the Gotamas are kinda in two different categories in my mind. The Gotama is more of an "all mountain rocker ski" because its not super fat with 106 underfoot, I made a few runs with the Gotamas on with a foot of fresh and it being my first rockered ski it was amazing until I got onto groomers and It was a totally different experience maybe not bad but I wasn't used to it. If your going to get a full rockered ski and give up that groomer performance you might as well go for a ski that will be even better in its intended terrain. Noticing your looking at stiffer skis that lean towards the big mountain category, the Katana might be a good choice from Volkl. And the sidecut is almost identical to the Mothership at 142-111-131 and the Katana 141-111-131.

  Personally looking at both of these skis for next year my local shop told me that they're both to stiff and directional for everyday use and its hard to get good use out of them until you are really only skiing really fast powder, chutes and steeps. I ended up deciding to demo some softer more playful and everyday skis still in the fat category, like Armada JJ, Moment Bibby's, or Line Sir Francis Bacon.


   Just 2 cents, please take with a grain of salt
Edited by minimedic18 - 4/11/10 at 6:31pm
post #3 of 21
 I am a big fan of the Mothership -- it's bomber in all conditions across the whole mountain and a lot of fun to ski.  It's a fairly maneuverable ski, with a short turning radius (for its size).  I wrote a pretty lengthy review on Epic, take a look.  The only downside to the skis is that they are heavy -- 6 lbs each for the 185cm before adding bindings.  So for touring, hiking, or lots of carrying, they are a bit on the porky side.  Underfoot on the downhill, I never notice the weight, so if you ski resorts inbounds, they are fine.

As for the Gotama, I am not really liking the current model a lot.  I'd suggest looking at the Katana instead, but make sure you're ready to live with a full rocker.  The Mothership's tip-only rocker, combined with traditional sidecut/camber underfoot makes it both versatile and approachable.  I am sold on that type of ski shape right now.
post #4 of 21
The mothership is way stiffer than the katana even if the dimensions look similar.  Also it's more of a flat ski with early tip rise than something fully rockered.  If you are looking for something that is great at skiing tracked out crud at the places you mentioned the motherships will plow through it like it's not even there for the most part.  Surprisingly nimble and easy to turn for such a heavy stiff ski (I'm 5"11 160 and ski the 185)

I haven't tried the new rockered gotama but the older prerocker ones were always a popular great do it all type ski for the west coast.  Not particularly stiff but a lot of fun in soft snow, definitely lighter and more prone to deflection in crud than a stiffer ski but that's fine if that's what you are into.  Most people say the new katana handles better than the new gotama in almost every way so maybe look at this one too if you aren't looking for something as stiff as the mothership.

Anyway, they are both kind of different and you don't sound like you have enough experience with many different types of skis to know what you are looking for so i'd suggest trying to demo them to figure out if you prefer a softer or stiffer ski (though based on your current ski being the watea you probably would be leaning toward the softer side)
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
 thanks for he recs so far.  what sizes should i be looking at, should powder skis be longer or shorter?
post #6 of 21
 You are a big guy, so you probably need to look at the longest ski in the lineup (~190+).  There are lots of choices for that kind of a ski, so pretty much anything over 105mm and not too stiff would be an excellent powder ski. 
post #7 of 21
You might want to consider Moment, either the Bibby or the Night Train
post #8 of 21
 You should be looking at the 190 Katana or the 185 Mothership. At 250lb niether is too stiff. the katana flexes softer but will ski alot softer due to the full rocker. Skiing soft while still being able to spear though and smear crud at ludicrious speed is what makes the Katana a very special unequalled ski. 

If you want a super quick, smeary, floatly, but never wimpy ski at speed look at the Katana.
If you want a stable, unflappable, edgy ride and are willing to sacarafic some quickness, bump ability and floatyness then look at the mothership.

Id be happy with either out west. but I am happier with the katana in northern vermont where tree skiing is where the powder is.

also chaulk me up for dont get the new gotama. The rocker and soft tail make for a scary ride on hard snow, there is nothing besides liveliness that the gotama does better than the katana.
post #9 of 21
Hi OP.  I've skied the Mothership and have owned two Gotamas.  They are quite different, as others have said.  The Mothership is a burly, take no prisoners kind of ski that likes to charge down the fall line.  It is relatively forgiving and nimble for what it is, but it is definately a "bring your A game" kind of ski.  If this sounds like your kind of skiing then that's certainly a choice.  The new Gotama (2010 and later) is a much different ski than prior versions and as SierraJim diplomatically puts it, it misses the mark for a lot of people.  The tail is very soft, and I think with your size you might mash it.  Regardless of what vintage Goat, they have never been as floaty as one would think for their width; I think the "pre 2010" versions are some of the best all mountain/big mountain skis ever made.  Many skiers are on this size ski as their daily driver around Tahoe so for your needs I would encourage you to go wider.  For what you are looking for I think the 190 cm Katana is a much better choice, with the Elan 1010 ALU is perhaps an even better choice (I ski the Elan as my daily but the two are very similar).  The Katana and the Elan are basically flat skis, but if you want to venture into the land of rocker I would recommend you look at the Rossi S7 (in the Super 195 cm size).  Alex at Porters Truckee talked me into them and they are absolutely perfect for storm days and two or three days after the storm days we get @ Tahoe.  They look and feel a bit big in the lift line but because of the tip and tail rocker they ski shorter than they are.  And with traditional camber and sidecut underfoot you can ski these all over the mountain.  The Super 7 has really elevated my powder (and leftover powder) game.  Hope that helps.
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by SquawBrat View Post

Hi OP.  I've skied the Mothership and have owned two Gotamas.  They are quite different, as others have said.  The Mothership is a burly, take no prisoners kind of ski that likes to charge down the fall line.  It is relatively forgiving and nimble for what it is, but it is definately a "bring your A game" kind of ski.  If this sounds like your kind of skiing then that's certainly a choice.  The new Gotama (2010 and later) is a much different ski than prior versions and as SierraJim diplomatically puts it, it misses the mark for a lot of people.  The tail is very soft, and I think with your size you might mash it.  Regardless of what vintage Goat, they have never been as floaty as one would think for their width; I think the "pre 2010" versions are some of the best all mountain/big mountain skis ever made.  Many skiers are on this size ski as their daily driver around Tahoe so for your needs I would encourage you to go wider.  For what you are looking for I think the 190 cm Katana is a much better choice, with the Elan 1010 ALU is perhaps an even better choice (I ski the Elan as my daily but the two are very similar).  The Katana and the Elan are basically flat skis, but if you want to venture into the land of rocker I would recommend you look at the Rossi S7 (in the Super 195 cm size).  Alex at Porters Truckee talked me into them and they are absolutely perfect for storm days and two or three days after the storm days we get @ Tahoe.  They look and feel a bit big in the lift line but because of the tip and tail rocker they ski shorter than they are.  And with traditional camber and sidecut underfoot you can ski these all over the mountain.  The Super 7 has really elevated my powder (and leftover powder) game.  Hope that helps.

pre 2009 katana = flat skis
2010 and newer katana = fully rocker to about 2cm of rise in the tip and tail per ski.
2010 1010 = flat skis
2011 Olympus = tip rocker
just saying the katana isnt not a flat ski
post #11 of 21
For those with experience on both, compare weight of the Mothership to Katana.  I found the Mothership could deal with a wide variety of snow conditions, but really liked the fall line, and would charge through cut-up pow and crud effortlessly.  Its is HEAVY, especially with the demo bindings I was using.  While I can appreciate a damp ski, weight is not real helpful to me. 
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post

For those with experience on both, compare weight of the Mothership to Katana.  I found the Mothership could deal with a wide variety of snow conditions, but really liked the fall line, and would charge through cut-up pow and crud effortlessly.  Its is HEAVY, especially with the demo bindings I was using.  While I can appreciate a damp ski, weight is not real helpful to me. 

the katana is lighter but not by much.
post #13 of 21
Look at Line Prophet 100s in a 186. Lightweight very maneuverable and not overkill with the extreme widths. My favorites.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by natrat View Post

Look at Line Prophet 100s in a 186. Lightweight very maneuverable and not overkill with the extreme widths. My favorites.
 
I don't think that the op is looking for a 100 mm ski, I think he has something already for piste, and light cover. I don't think the P100 fits the bill of a modern powder ski. BTW the Mo'ship is 111 underfoot, that is hardly an extreme width.
post #15 of 21
 At your size, think the Goats would be a waste. I ski one size down from the top, regardless of year made, and I'm 162 lbs. Agree about Katanas, especially given where you ski. Might take a look at Moment Night Trains too, for a more non-traditional shape, made in Reno and folks at Tahoe regard them highly. 
post #16 of 21
OP

I am 6'3" 250lbs and ski the Mothership in a 195. This size is perfect for bigger guys that drive hard.
Since you are use to a softer skis, you may find it a little squirrly at first, but once you get your weight forward into the tips they dig in and become extremely stable. Good luke with your decision.

PS 
post #17 of 21
Thread Starter 
 hey everybody, thanks for the advice and recs. i just hot back from Northstar, that i would get a last few days in before it closed.  i tried to find some skis to demo, but just couldn't find what i wanted. I did stop into porters when i was up there to check out the Line skies, holy crap are they heavy. my Wateas seem light as air after picking those up, and they did not even have bindings on them yet.  i can only imagine with ll that weight (not to mention the weight i am carrying around) they would plow through just about anything, maybe even brick walls.  still want to demo before ti buy but the sales are coming up soon.  sounds like the goats are out, too bad, great reputation and pretty cool looking. i will check out the katanas. 

BTW- Fridayat NorthStar was awesome.  i cant believe they re closing, what a waste. there is tons of snow.  last year at this time its was like skiing in a sluppee swimming pool. they can easly go for another month with ll that snow. 
post #18 of 21
i find the 100 mm width skis to be very good in deep snow while the wider boards tend to get heavier and you lose agility and maneuverability. Sure you don't get maximum float but how often do you get 2 foot dumps per season compared to a foot or so. The 85 width underfoot is substantially different than a 100. The prophet 100s are way better off piste than on. In my case i knew exactly the dimension ski i wanted down to the straightest side cut possible, so selection was easy. To the op if you don't know  what general shape you want don't take people's suggestions until you have narrowed it down, ie try out some huge fats vs mid fats before you spend your thousand bucks, my 2 cents fwiw
post #19 of 21

Hi,

 

I was reading this post from last year on selecting a powder ski and I was wondering what the OP may selected/tried and found out since then.

 

This post is exactly the same as my situation.  6'0", 250lbs, Ski Watea 84's as my all around for the Blue and Black in Tahoe and looking for a powder ski. 

 

What seemed like a more than normal knowledgeable person at Helm in San Jose suggested the Elan 1010's.

 

I would describe my style as more moderate than aggressive (i.e. I am not looking for something I can just point down the mountain and see how fast I can go if that makes sense).

 

Perhaps by resurrecting the thread SierraJim will chime in.

 

- Joe.

post #20 of 21

I bought a pair of Line Motherships 195 cm 2 years ago and am loving them and if the edges are kept sharp they are just as confident to ski on firm icey snow as my narrower VolkI AC 4/50s. They turned me into a powder expert as I used to always have tip drive on my ACs but not the Motherships. With the Motherships now discontinued I too would be keen to try the Volkl Katana for comparison. One thing that I feel does help the handling of the Motherships is the 130 flex detuned race boots I wear.

post #21 of 21
We are similar sized. I started a thread just like this a month ago or so. Take a look. Some good stuff in there. Basically convinced me to go fat. I don't think the Gotama will float enough for you.

http://www.epicski.com/t/112849/powder-ski-advice-for-a-big-guy-advanced-skier
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