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post #31 of 46
Alright, what about the part time thing on weekends though? You're right, you may not get six hours per day (probably not) but you'll still be able to learn a lot. I did the (basically) 10 hour commute/weekend for the last 3 years. It is tough but doable. Since you're married it also may be more complicated. Of course you can stay home and work for one hour and probably make more money, but yah know...
Besides, your dialogue is beyond "student" now so it might be best to practice a little?
post #32 of 46
That's just it Tog, It's about priorities. happily married, many other hobbies besides skiing, Volunteer work in the community, service projects and a house to work in all cut into that. I have asked at 2 of the resorts in the area and there are so many young skiers that want the jobs and are willing to work for next to nothing that the resorts in my area are not real interested in a 1-2 times a month instructor with "no experience"
post #33 of 46
By the way Tog,
I guess in a way I do teach. just not formally. Most of the friends I ski with are well below where I am. With all I'm learning here about movement analysis, and all my lessons and chatting with you all, I get to offer "hints and tips" and work with my friends. I am hoping to befriend a SSD in my area so I can maybe squeeze into a few clinics <FONT size="1">

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post #34 of 46
Thread Starter 

What up!

It sounds totally confusing.

Glad to see ya. Hey, you'll never believe it. I'm going to buy your book, you schlep!

Where do I send the check.



I went to the hyperchangecafe and checked it out. I don't see where everyone gets the bandwidth. I mean, if it wasn't that I can type like a banshee...

Anyway, I'd get tossed out of there in a minute. Totally dry place. It's like everyone takes a chill pill, poors a late, then has an intellectual conversation, laced with 50 dollar words.

"So, SCSA, how do you feel today? How do you feel about the xxxx. What feelings do you have today, SCSA"

"Ahhh, $$%^6 the xxxx! What a bunch of losers! They'd have to improve just to be called terrible!".

"Sorry, SCSA. We're all very sensitive here. While your comments are stimulating and thought provocking, we think it would be best if you were discuss them somewhere where the culture is more of a fit for your personality, SCSA. Plus, you haven't used enough 50 dollar words".
post #35 of 46
Bob - you were out east while I was out west! Were you up in Maine?
post #36 of 46

I have to agree about Hyper - they aren't. It's just JR asking a bunch of deep questions about odd stuff. I think they try way too hard to keep the conversation going. It's like watching paint dry. They re-hash the same old topics over and over. I only go there if I have a question for "the establishment". Then it takes me 4 days to remember to go look for an answer. And the format is a bit rough to follow, so I get lost easily.
post #37 of 46
Thread Starter 

This place has a nice mix. No dirtbags and it's fun. Plus, one can actually learn something here.

I'm with you, talking about hyper. The user interface is horrible.

This is a pretty good UI, but I think it can be improved on. I like the "Explorer" view with a preview pane. I can see all the threads and the replies. I've seen it somewhere before and it was wonderful. But, I'm not bitching. I'm sure AC isn't making a pile here and I'm thankful this place is here - "Way to go, AC!".
post #38 of 46
I've checked out hyper a little before and didn't like the aesthetics at all. I just tried to go there and my machine froze up twice so I'm out of there. I like the looks of the posts here, easy to read. Powder seems to use the same software but they throw in all those colors so it's difficult to read.

I agree that AC has done an excellent job here. I'm not complaining at all but we could do some tweaking no? I wonder how hard it would be for one thing to have a WYSIWYG style of posting. This little box isn't terrible, but it'd be nice if it was bigger. Perhaps we should start a thread on tweaks to epic site.

As for "dirt bags" let's see. We have "dirtsqueezer" ,"dirtybkr", "padirtybird", and maybe others? Someone should be "bagodirt".
While were at it who wants to be "boxorocks"

back to packing my stuff up... (uugh)
post #39 of 46
This may be a question for Bob. Back in the late eighties(?) when "the centerline" was beginning to be conceptualized, at Trainer's/Mgmt., I remember a left/right of center line continuum was discussed. Left, edge/pressure, right rotary.
Milt Beens did a whole speil on it...and it seemed to make sense, concerning lateral learning et al. That snow/blackboard description worked well for training and seemed to crystalize the concept for many....but kinda fell out of favor. The "Common Threads" concept was useful to some, confusing to others...relegated to the PSIA relic room with final forms (although buried deep in my training bag'o'tricks!)
Anyway, bravo for you and Roto for taking the time to verbalize the concept for Paul!
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post #40 of 46
I like seeing Milts name here - he was long my Obi-Wan-Kenobi of skiing!

Funny how relationships flip flop. I used to *hate* him, 12-14 years ago - because I thought he was so narrow minded. Then later I loved him because I realized that he was so open minded! He continually kicks butt in the PSIA and never rests on his laurels. I've also worked for him when he was managing, and then later when I was a SS director he worked some for me. Being out east now I miss seeing him, any of you who ever get a chance to visit his studio in Durango or especially ski with him - its worth driving all day for.

I like Bob's description of Milt: "long-time PSIA examiner, Chief Examiner for Rocky Mountain division when the Center Line Model came out, general ski guru, potter extraordinaire, ...." The only addition is that he is now also involved in archery and rapidly becoming a zen-master archer as well!
post #41 of 46
I would love to hear more stories about Milt and other "veteran" ski instructors who have been influential.
I even posted a thread about that, but nobody replied. pout, pout.

Be Braver in your body, or your luck will leave you. DH Lawrence
post #42 of 46
Thanks Bob, that was quite a mouthful! I too belive the omission of "The Centerline Model" will diminish the new manual. We seem to always be searching for clarity, much like a series of lessons, saying the same thing in different ways. For me, from the moment TCM was laid out for me the "big picture" clarified, and I felt I had a communicatable tool or picture for training.
As we understand the diversity of learning styles it seems appropriate to consider a model from different perspectives. Reinventing (as opposed to redifining) our vision of what good skiing is (biomechanicaly as opposed to technologically)in continuous "buzzwording" and posturing diminishes our credibility. Dumbing-down our culture (popular today) does little service to those who wish to develop comprehension. Basic arithmetic has some fairly mind-blowing concepts to get one's arms around too!
Now in we are faced with the "3 Steps to Success", whose very name will appeal to SCSA. Part marketing, part teaching philosophy, its simplicity dilutes what are complex movements into a box cake recipe. We need to distinguish internal and external models for consumtion. Too, we can maintain the integrity of our core concepts without "cutting it into little fork sized pieces" for the digestion of Level I's.
Todd, I worked with Milt in 83-84 at Purg., it was quite a ski school. He had been one of my examiners in the late 70's. During the 90's as SSD at Angel Fire, we enjoyed his visits alot. "Narrow minded"?? Hey, this guy was ostracized from the Ed staff, out in the wilderness for sticking to his beliefs. He had this wild idea that steering actually occured while carving and while others built altars to the new rotaryless gods....Milt remained...well, Milt! He has since been vindicated to a large degree. Leaders have followers, visionaries often look back and are alone. The Edwin Terrel Clinics are still hosted at T-ride, Santa Fe, Purg and Angel Fire on a rotational (??) basis. Great group!
Oh yeah...he is a decent potter, Robin Hood of Wildcat Canyon...I am drinking coffee out of one of my many PSIA, Edwin etc. mugs now!

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post #43 of 46
When I was Directing at Wolf Creek two years ago I hosted the Edwin Terrel, Milt and Dogger were leading the clinics. Great fun! We did it on the PSX super-shorts. Every year I guess its different gear. They did Snowbikes at Telluride the year before I think, and they did shapes when shapes where still new, Telemark when Telemarking was just coming back big . . . very cool spirit of exploration in those clinics!

Which ones have you done?
post #44 of 46
Yeah Bob - I think that Milt definately likes to shock sometimes just to snap people out of their comfort zone. He is certainly good and getting people agitated - but he is then sure excellent at steering that agitation into a positive direction.

Dogger definately is "Milt'ian" as well, pretty funny that the Director of the Rocky Mountain PSIA Division really is a student of perhaps the most controversial figure in the division! I like it - its proof that anybody who thinks the PSIA is stuck in its ways is quite wrong! Milt never stands still, he is always pushing the fringe.
post #45 of 46
I have been to 5 Edwins, I think to date...T-ride was a blast...TR took us down Runaway Train about 2 minutes into our first Snobike experience. The best, was with Tony Forrest at Santa Fe years ago, on tele-parade! Tony and Jim Middleton (former D-Team nordic members) were all at Purg in 83-84 with Edwin, Milt, Joe Q and other notables working for/with/at John Briner...another favorite! I missed your gig at WC, I think one or two of our AF guys went on scholarship.
Anyway it was cool as a new CSIA guy in Purg. going out with Milt every morning. After thoughtful esoteric MA he would say things that mystified and ask "Make Zense"? One of those guys who lays timebombs with those who need it...weeks later when it would all fall into place he would merely smile that gap tooth smile and wink and my incredulous exhuberance! Everyone should have people in their lives like Milt and Diane.
Dogger is a good friend as well! I feel an affinity to his view, and I feel he listened to the Sdiv. concerns....being geographically challenged etc.<FONT size="1">

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post #46 of 46
What has always intrigued me about this guy, is that the anecdotes I hear from different instructors who describe him are very similar to the way my Pilates instructor trainer describes Joseph Pilates. Its that whole idea of taking many disciplines, skiing, martial arts, eastern philosophy, heck, I bet he even makes the pottery apply to skiing, and somehow making them interdisciplinary.

For Pilates, it was gymnastics, yoga, skiing, and a bunch of other things. People like this will always fascinate me.

Then I saw my reflection in a snow covered hill.....

Be Braver in your body, or your luck will leave you. DH Lawrence

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