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post #32 of 57
I can relate to the movement as proposed. limiting bags too large to fit under the seat in front of you.  However, what about people that sit at the front where there isn't a seat in front?  I guess they can't take a bag larger than others just because theirs is going to have to go overhead anyway.
post #33 of 57
FYI...

http://cardin.senate.gov/news/record.cfm?id=323767

Quote:
Press Release of Senator Cardin
Free of Fees for Carry-On Act
Tuesday, April 13, 2010


Washington, DC – U.S. Senators Benjamin L. Cardin (D-MD) and Mary Landrieu (D-LA) have introduced a bill (S. 3195) that would effectively prohibit airlines from charging fees for carry-on luggage. It also would require advanced disclosure of special, often higher fees for specialty checked items. The bill is based on an amendment the two senators proposed last month to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Reauthorization bill that was blocked by the minority from being accepted into the Manager’s Amendment.

 

 

 

 
post #34 of 57
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Originally Posted by cstreu1026 View Post

Wouldn't the airlines get more money and catch less flak if they included everything in the price of the ticket and just raised ticket prices? 


Doubtful.  People would bitch about the high ticket prices. (c:

BTW, that was the old air travel model - buy your ticket and everything was included (drinks, meals, movie, luggage).  But the airlines were going broke with that model, so they introduced ala carte pricing.

By analogy, some restaurants have an all you can eat buffet for one price.  That business model seems to work for some, but most restaurants charge by the order. Getting mad at the airlines for charging for luggage is like getting mad at the restaurant for not having an all-you-can-eat policy.  It makes no sense.

If you prefer the all-in-one pricing model, there are airlines that still have it. 
post #35 of 57
No... they were going broke because the marketing departments starting pricing the seats....... 

I would like to see how much it actually costs to fly a person in a particular seat, against what fares are typically available.


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BTW, that was the old air travel model - buy your ticket and everything was included (drinks, meals, movie, luggage).  But the airlines were going broke with that model, so they introduced ala carte pricing.
 
post #36 of 57
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Originally Posted by Walt View Post

If you prefer the all-in-one pricing model, there are airlines that still have it. 
 

Like: JetBlue.

Just flown them. No fee for 1st bag, which for me consists of a ski + a boot bag (even though in actuality the boots are in my carry on and the "boot" bag have mostly clothes). Ample elbow & leg room, and drinks are free (like the rest).

Food is not free. But then most others charge for (crappy) food anyway.

No pillow nor blanket, same with most others.

The funny thing is, security will confiscate your water. But if I were a terrorist, I'd make my bombs look like a hotdog (or pizza) because that's freely allowed through security!!! 

Anyway, I realized by NOT paying for my skis both ways, Jet Blue (or Southwest, for others who are served by them) ticket was considerably less expensive than it "looked"!
post #37 of 57
have to agree with TC on people abusing the carry on bag size, if airlines are going to charge for bags they should charge by the pound and weigh ALL BAGS. It is the only fair solution. I really feel like a jerk when I check my 35# bag and have to pay when some person has a 50# carry on that takes two people to get it in the overhead. you  can believe that airlines don't give a hoot about saftey when they allow people to pack the kitchen sink in the overhead. better still, lets get back to the old days, airlines charge a rate that makes them money and forget about this bogus baggage fee crap
post #38 of 57

LETTER FROM SPIRIT PRESIDENT:

To our valued customers,

We have all seen how carry-on baggage has gotten out of control.  Longer security lines and boarding process, injuries due to overcrowded overhead bins, delayed flights and passenger frustration has become commonplace.

At Spirit, we are always looking for new ways to save you money and improve the customer experience.  We recently announced our latest innovation, which is designed to relieve the carry-on crisis, saving you time and money.

Our solution to the carry-on crisis:

  1. Lowered fares
  2. Lower checked bag fees
  3. Give everyone a free personal item allowance
  4. Allow customers to carry on an additional bag for a fee and give them
    priority boarding so they have time and space to stow their extra bag


     

Everyone Wins!

  1. We expect total prices to be lower
  2. Security lines will move faster
  3. The boarding process will be smoother
  4. Deplaning will be faster
  5. Passenger and employee safety is improved with less over-stuffed bins

     

What to expect for travel after August 1st:

  1. We have introduced PENNY PLUS™ fares available to our $9 Fare Club members** that are 1¢ each way plus fuel, taxes and fees*.  If you are not already a member, click here to join.
  2. We have lowered checked bag fees for $9 Fare Club members.  A family of four checking four bags round-trip will save $80.  Double the cost of being a $9 Fare Club member.  Another reason to join now.  Click here to join.
  3. You can bring a FREE personal item onboard, such as a purse, briefcase, backpack or laptop computer.  Other exceptions are:  assistive devices, medicine, umbrella, outer garments (coats, hats, wraps), camera, car seat/stroller, infant diaper bag, reading material for the flight, or food for immediate consumption.
  4. If you choose to bring an extra carry-on bag, you may do so for $20 if purchased online as a $9 Fare Club member or $30 online, at the airport ticket counter or kiosk for non-members.  If you choose to wait until the gate to pay, the fee will be $45 which is not preferred since it will slow the boarding process.
  5. Shorter, faster security and boarding lines.  Less frustration while boarding and deplaning.  Fewer delays.
  6. Happier customers that pay less!

     

See you onboard soon!  We’ll keep working to improve your experience and lower your fare.

Ben Baldanza
President and Chief Executive Officer
Spirit Airlines

post #39 of 57
A few months ago my wife and I were flying to Miami, on American, to make a connection for an international flight.  The flight from Jacksonville to Miami (a distance of around 350 miles) is on a prop plane that seats around 40 people.  They routinely weigh all the luggage, including carry-ons and gate-checked, because these aircraft have a weight restriction.  Because we were connecting for an international flight, and we were traveling light, we elected to gate-check our bags (one each).  The carry-ons and gate-checked bags are placed on a scale as you enter the jetway.   The woman boarding ahead of us weighed at least 350 pounds, but had a 15 pound carry-on.   My 105 pound wife is next in line.  She places her rolling suitcase on the scale; it weighs 32 pounds.  "We're close to our luggage weight limit.  That's a really heavy suitcase", said the gate agent.  Kind of strange.

The real issue is that once the airlines starting charging for checked bags most travelers' goal was to carry on as much a possible, to avoid baggage fees.  While the baggage fees added to the bottom line they created other problems.  Overhead storage bins got damaged, flight attendants were injured helping passengers lift heavy bags, but, most importantly, flights were delayed because the boarding process was prolonged. 

Southwest Airlines has no seat assignments.  They do divide the passengers on each flight into two or three groups (A, B, C...) based on when they confirmed their ticket.  But within each group the priority for seating is based on your arrival into the boarding area.  So everyone gets their ass into the boarding area ASAP to avoid the dreaded middle seat.  Because checked bags are free most passengers have only a small carry-on.  The checked bags are already on the plane.  The loading process occurs quickly.  The plane leaves on time, or even early.

The airlines have lots of smart people, with MBAs, working in their corporate offices figuring all of this out and testing different models.  I don't have an MBA, but it seems to me that they should learn at least a few lessons from Southwest.  Maybe they should allow the first checked bag to be "free" (included in the price of the ticket).  Then really enforce the size restrictions for carry-on bags.  Maybe even add a weight restriction to carry-on bags.  They'd probably still make money on baggage fees, and avoid the boarding/deplaning issues.
post #40 of 57
Fees, fees and more fees.

All that excuses about safety and boarding speed are just that, excuses! The airline think we're stupid. They want to exploit that stupidity by NOT showing the true price of a flight. So when you do a fare search, their flight comes out as the lowest on the search engines. But you end up paying a lot more than what you THOUGHT it cost, which often times cost MORE than a competitor who doesn't charge all the extra fares.

But guess what? Most people ARE stupid. They fly on those "cheap" tickets instead of the "other" airline (JB/Southwest) even though the end cost are higher! 

We deserve what we got! 

End of rant.  
post #41 of 57
Allegiant airlines is an example of specifically what you say: the airline nickel and dimes you to death.

Spirit is the cheapest I have found even with Bag fees of $19 each way, by at least 55-65 %.
 
If you keep getting screwed on fares, as you imply, you need to work your search engines better. Check the Spirit site out...perhaps you will cease your ranting.
post #42 of 57
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Originally Posted by Mainiac View Post

If you keep getting screwed on fares, as you imply, you need to work your search engines better. Check the Spirit site out...perhaps you will cease your ranting.

Who said I was?

 

I'm saying others are! And those are the people who're complaining about the airlines charging them fees after they booked!

I AM ranting about the people who whine about fees. They're stupid enough for YOU to screw over!

Most Americans still haven't seen it coming yet. My co-worker flew Ryan Air (over at UK). Guess what? You may have to pay to use the toilet!!! Would Spirit be far behind down that route? Talk about being screwed. ;-)

post #43 of 57
Tell me at_nyc, does Ryan air charge more for defacation/bowel evacuation or urination?
post #44 of 57
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Originally Posted by Mainiac View Post

Tell me at_nyc, does Ryan air charge more for defacation/bowel evacuation or urination?

You should be the one telling me!

You're the president of a airline. Ask your pal over the pond!
post #45 of 57
I'm not the president of an airline; I posted a form letter from one.

There has always been a price difference for more complete service in first class/second class economy business etc.; fees for additional services are not unreasonable if the OVERALL PRICE  is well below the norm for the flight. 

As you say, there are lots naive people flying these days, it's best to be informed.
post #46 of 57
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by at_nyc View Post




You should be the one telling me!

You're the president of a airline. Ask your pal over the pond!

Where'd you get that idea? 
post #47 of 57
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Originally Posted by Mainiac View Post

I'm not the president of an airline; I posted a form letter from one.

 

I'm not related to Ryan Air either. I'm just relating what their operating model is like, which makes Spirit like first class service! 
post #48 of 57
As a pilot for one of the major airlines, I think most of you are missing the point.  If you go to the mall and someone is charging $150 for a pair of jeans, what business is it of yours?  They are either geniuses or idiots and you buy them or you don't.  Spirit will figure it out when and if business goes south...

Now I know you think that air travel is a necessity and some almost consider it a right, but when it comes to the free market, the US government does absolutely nothing to indicate that this is the case.  So the airlines are left out there beating each other up and desperately trying any stupid idea to figure out how to make a buck.  While virtually all other forms of mass transportation in this country are subsidized by the government, the airlines are taxed higher than alchohol or tobacco.

If the system were to be truly fair, every passenger and everything in their possession would each cross a scale and your ticket price would then be determined by total weight, because in the end, that's what it costs to fly you.
post #49 of 57
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Fritzski View Post



If the system were to be truly fair, every passenger and everything in their possession would each cross a scale and your ticket price would then be determined by total weight, because in the end, that's what it costs to fly you.

I'd be all for that!
Pay a price for a plane ticket and then get  a surcharge or rebate depending on your personal weight allowance.  Not a bad idea.
post #50 of 57
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post




I'd be all for that!
Pay a price for a plane ticket and then get  a surcharge or rebate depending on your personal weight allowance.  Not a bad idea.


 That will really speed everything up 
post #51 of 57
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post





 That will really speed everything up 
you worried about your ticket price 
post #52 of 57
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

 That will really speed everything up 

But that's exactly what they did to your skis! It's not slowing things down all that much after all.

You put it on a scale and they put a tag on it. I'm all for doing the same for the "bodies"! ;-)
post #53 of 57
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Originally Posted by at_nyc View Post




But that's exactly what they did to your skis! It's not slowing things down all that much after all.

You put it on a scale and they put a tag on it. I'm all for doing the same for the "bodies"! ;-)


 Ticket Agent: OK, Ma;am, you the sum of your 4 bags and purse is 122lb and you weigh...

Woman Flying: Before you say anything, I weigh 130lb

TA: Our scales show 152lb

WF: Your scales are wrong...

TA: I am sorry, but we have them calibrated weekly, I am sure...

WF: I don't care what your scales say, I weigh 130lb...

TA: Would you mind getting back on the scale so...

WF: NO, I do NOT have to get back on that scale

TA: Wel then your ticket will be based upon your total of 274lb

WF: There is no way I am paying for that extra weight

TA: Then you are not flying

Womans Husband: Honey, I will just pay the amou...

WF:(to husband) Do NOT even reach for that wallet..I will settle this...(to agent) Let me talk to your Supevisor...

TA: He is on break, Ma'am the line is long and your flight leaves in 40 him..

WF: Those people can wait and so can the damn plane, This is jsut another way for your airline to extort money from people flying and I won;t put up with it...

Husband: Honey

WF: You be quiet...


That is a small sample of one conversation that could (and will happen) to help "speed things up" by weighing everything. 
post #54 of 57
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post





 Ticket Agent: OK, sir the sum of your 4 bags is 122lb and you weigh...

Kevin Smith Flying: Before you say anything, I weigh 330lb

TA: Our scales show 552lb

KS: Your scales are wrong...

TA: I am sorry, but we have them calibrated weekly, I am sure...

KS: I don't care what your scales say, I weigh 330lb...

TA: Would you mind getting back on the scale so...

WF: NO, I do NOT have to get back on that scale

TA: Wel then your ticket will be based upon your total of 574lb

KS: There is no way I am paying for that extra weight

TA: Then you are not flying


 
fixed
post #55 of 57
Saunas and sweat suits becoming more popular?
post #56 of 57
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

This notion was actually discussed some back in the 90s-I was managing a retail luggage store at that time.  Back then they were pushing that all carry on bags should be required to be small enough to fit under the seat.  I think the rationale there was that there isn't actually enough overhead space for the number of large carry ons there would be if every single passenger brings wto carry ons (one big, one small) on a completely booked flight.  Even trying to put a limit in under the seat gets sketchy because that area is smaller for those sitting by windows than it is for those witting in the middle or aisle seats.

Here's another hot point.. Should women get to take two bags AND a "purse" while men just get two bags period? 



you might be speaking to the sizing contraptions that (mostly United) placed on the front of the security conveyer belt.  They stopped luggage that was too large from going through the xray machine.  I guess since TSA runs the security instead of airline hired 3rd parties, that practice stopped.
 
post #57 of 57



 

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Originally Posted by Fritzski View Post



If the system were to be truly fair, every passenger and everything in their possession would each cross a scale and your ticket price would then be determined by total weight, because in the end, that's what it costs to fly you.

 

Nope that wouldn't work either.  That could easily come back to gender descrimination.  Guys inevitably almost always weigh more than girls.  I'm 6'5" and there's nothing I can do about it.  I could be 195 lbs...like I am, fall right in the middle of "normal" on a BMI scale, and have to pay more than a 4'10 girl that is overweight at 160.  She's the one that didn't take care of herself and I have to pay more? 

 

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