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New liners for '02 boots or new boots?

post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 
 Hi all - I have a pair of '02-ish Salomon X-Wave 10.0's with only about 60 or so days on them, but the liners have packed out a bit and I'm debating whether or not to replace just the liners with some Intuitions or Zip Fits or replace the boots entirely.  I absolutely love the boots and have had no issues whatsoever with fit or performance (other than the liner packing out), but the gear-head in me is telling me to at least look at some new boots.  

On the one hand, new Intuition or Zip Fit liners would be considerably less expensive than new boots and from what I understand would significantly improve the performance of my old boots which I'm happy with to begin with.  On the other hand, I keep hearing and reading about improvements in boot materials, geometry, lasts, etc. in the past 5-6 years, and I can't help but wonder what I might be missing out on performance wise.

Any thoughts or advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
post #2 of 9
your boots are too big I think?

shell fit them?

if they are the too big, any new liner, will just pack out again to that larger shell shape.

If the shell is OK, then the best to email/call intuition and ask them,  but http://www.intuitionliners.com/alpine_page.htm is a good bet to fill up room.
post #3 of 9
Thread Starter 
mntlion - I'm not sure I understand - why do you think my boots are too big?  Are you saying that the liners should not have packed out after only 60 days and that what I'm describing as packed out liners is actually just a function of my boots being too big?  If that is what you mean, then is it possible my feet have shrunk over the years?    I ask because they were very snug when I bought them (which is how I like my boots), but over the years they've gotten less so and I've had to ratchet the buckles down more and more in order to maintain a tight fit.
post #4 of 9
usually liners will last 100-200 days,  if the shell is too big the liner will stretch into this extra space.  If you add a new liner, it will do this too over time.

just a guess.

what is the shell fit like?  (read wikis on this forum)

odds are your feet have not shrunk, but the liners have stretched, your ability has increased, and your demands on the fit of the boot are more.   All this will make a once tight boot, feel big now.
post #5 of 9
Thread Starter 
 I haven't done the shell measurements per the wiki but will when I get a chance.  As far as ability and demands on the boot, my ability has actually gotten worse over the years and less demanding as a result.  10 years ago I was a very high level skier, but from that point on my annual ski days dropped significantly to the point where in the past 5 years I've skied less than I used to in half a season.  That plus age (even though I'm in better shape than I was 10 years ago) and kids has resulted in me being less technically precise and less aggressive than I used to be.  I still spend as much time as possible in steep chutes, walls and trees, but I don't air it out much now and don't ski at mach looney speeds anymore.

I should also clarify that what I'm experiencing isn't really looseness  - my boots are still snug all around, just less than they used to be.  The fit just feels a little less precise and my feet feel ever so slightly less locked in than they used to, although it's only really noticeable when I'm skiing hard or in variable snow/crud.  It sounds like what you're saying, however, is that my shell fit properly to begin with, then this shouldn't have happened in only 60 or so days of skiing, in which case new liners would only be a temporary fix.  If that is the case, then I might still be ok with going with new liners if they would do the trick for a couple seasons (I'll be lucky if I get in 10 days/year) IF, AND ONLY IF, I'm not going to see a big performance increase from new boots.  
post #6 of 9
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Originally Posted by epkdadoo View Post



I should also clarify that what I'm experiencing isn't really looseness  - my boots are still snug all around, just less than they used to be.  The fit just feels a little less precise and my feet feel ever so slightly less locked in than they used to, although it's only really noticeable when I'm skiing hard or in variable snow/crud.

So............they aren't really too loose except that they are too loose for your preferences. Hmmmmm.......OK........are they looser than you want or not?

If so, do the shell check and see if they are too big (chances are that they are)
If they are too big, new liners won't help for very long.
If they are not too big (size and volume) then a new liner will help for a while.

What is the question again??

SJ
post #7 of 9
Thread Starter 
 Sorry SJ - I know I'm not being very clear.  I said that they're not loose because the term "loose" implies that the boots don't snugly wrap my feet, which they do.  Other than when skiing hard or in variable snow/crud, I do not feel any foot movement within my boots whatsoever.  When I am skiing hard or in crud, I feel the very slightest amount of sideways give, but even then I wouldn't describe the feeling as one of "looseness".  They just don't seem to hold my feet with the same vice-like grip that they used to.

My original question was based on what it appears may have been a flawed assumption - i.e. that the shells of my current boots are not too big.  

If that assumption is correct, then the question is whether or not, from a performance standpoint, new boots would be better than my old boots with new liners?  If the answer is yes, then new boots are in order.  If the answer is no, then I'll just go with new liners.

If that assumption is incorrect and my shells are too big, would new liners solve/mask the problem for 20 or so ski days?  If not, then new boots are in order.  If yes, then the same question re performance of old boots + new liners vs new boots applies.
post #8 of 9
well do a shell fit, and that will help us, help you better.

so what part of the foot, moves in what direction?  (heel upwards?  mid foot side to side?  toes front to back?)

 

would a thicker sock help?   shim under the footbed  (you have replaced the stock footbed already, right?)

if the old liner is too loose after 60 days, odds are a second liner will do about the same thing

post #9 of 9
epkdadoo,

The Salomon X-wave  was not a very low volume boot. It could accomodate high insteps and generally wider feet. If you have an average
foot in regards to foot dimensions, you will likely get "loose" in this boot in the way you describe.

Do a shell fit on your boot. If you pass, then consider a new liner like the Zip Fit Gran Prix. It sucks up volume pretty fast and can also be made snugger through the cork injection.

If the shell fit shows that your boot is too big or too wide, get a new lower volume ski boot. ie. Salomon Falcon, Atomic Nuke, Lange Banshee,
Fischer X-series, Rossignol B-squad, Garmont Shaman, Dalbello Krypton.....
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