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Truth About Powder Skis - Page 4

post #91 of 97
Originally Posted by skier232 View Post

  Oh for God sakes I meant to write 1 1/2 cm okay...man is that the best you got???

And in this train of thinking a 70mm waist is only 2cm less then a 90mm, so what's the big deal?  I just had to.  I'll ski on anything I find in my garage!

post #92 of 97
Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

I love my 78mm wide skis too. I always look to see what's new out there and do my best to try it out.  Pontoon is also the name of a peak in AK that's uber sick and I am pretty sure the ski was named after the peak and not the bouyancy devices on a plane ......  I also thought you were saying toon's were new....  



"The Pontoon, named after an Alaskan peak that first succumbed to the late Shane McConkey (who designed this ski), remains a top ride for Chugach chargers, but the ski is also good at erasing errors by less than pro-level powder hounds.' 





Apologies in order again for any misunderstanding caused by clarification on my part.   Heh, I'm a new member only slightly over 10 posts and two misundersandings so far....


I knew Shane was involved in the design, did not know about the Alaskan peak reference, and I am aware of just one company (K2) that uses Pontoon as a brand name (if there are others I am unaware)



I did not realise there was the "First Chair" introduction thread so I will have to go introduce myself, clarify thoughts, and start from scratch....



Which will hopefully lead to less.........

post #93 of 97
Originally Posted by JDoyal View Post

My question is why do some of you care what other people spend sliding down the mountain on? If skiing on old, skinny (relative term) skis makes you happy and you feel somehow superior by using them, by all means go right ahead. Why is it in this sport that there are some people with such huge attitudes? Is it because they are insecure in their own ability that they need to look for ways that others are "cheating"?  What other people do is of little matter to me. If they want to use a screw driver as a hammer, and it makes them happy let them.

I know how to use a hammer and a screwdriver.  I couldn't care less if other people use a hammer FOR THEIR work driving in screws, when a screwdriver would serve better.  I don't care if they never learn how to screw, just so long as I can find a screwdriver when I go to the hardware store.  I wouldn't be happy if all I could find were hammers because "nobody uses screwdrivers anymore".


Geofda called it right.  Learning how to properly use your edges is a good thing, and and easier to do on narrower skis.  People who learn and spend most of their time on fat skis don't have as high a skill level in this department, though they can be very skilled at smearing turns in soft snow. 


You do have to temper the above with some consideration to the snow underfoot.  In deep soft snow it is much easier, as in it takes less torque, to tip skis than it is on ice.  In deep soft snow it is much easier to fall off the platform and sink to ground on skinny skis than fat skis.  On deep low angle slopes, fat skis will be better at not getting bogged down.


Also as to bumps, I'm still pretty low on the learning curve myself; I only started getting interested in them about a decade ago and seldom find any worthy of being called bumps that aren't practically gravel roads between the moguls, so I don't get much practice.  However, I've worked my way through a few misconceptions.  In my learning process, I admitted from the outset that I had to slow down, and that a different approach was required than the "purity of the carve" approach I had been using for the past few decades.  Searching around and seeking advice, I thought that pivoting was a requirement, but I eventually learned that you didn't have to pivot the skis yourself; you could engage your edges to pivot them; you can use carving movements to get the snow to pivot your skis for you, even in bumps.  Carving motions, not pivoting moves are the way to go and a fatter ski makes it easier to pivot but harder to carve.  Finally, I learned that if you want to do zipper line, you still can let the skis do the work instead of your knees; it's all about retraction, extension and edge use.  Skiing bumps will still give your legs and knees a work out, but the proper motion does not put a lot of rotational torque on you knees due to you trying to pivot your skis around.

post #94 of 97

The truth about powder skis is that they are made for powder.

post #95 of 97


Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post

The truth about powder skis is that they are made for powder.

post #96 of 97


Originally Posted by skier232 View Post

Hes right...Powder skis are nothing like snowboards (but they are a lot like water skis)...Besides skinny skis cant do half the things that fat powder skis can do in pow...no offense but this vid was lame...

I find it funny, 90% of the people on this website are over 35 year old skiers. And they all hate the new fat skis and things...I guess Its hard to adjust to new technologies when for so long it was the same thing....

To restore your faith in older skiers (I'm 56) I think just about everyone should have a pair of fat skis if they are serious about skiing. There are many days they can be used, even in the east, for example, when we get a big snowstorm and the slopes are not groomed yet and you've got a foot of powder to contend with. The skinny groomed skis just won't cut it. I learned that on my first trip out west. I sunk to my knees when I encountered any powder.

post #97 of 97

When you talk to an old school skiers, they will say "it is not a ski, it is a skier".. So in theory, you shoul be able to ski the powder on any ski. In reality, I was skiing for 3 years on groomed runs, ocasionally hitting powder. Each time I would hit powder I would struggle thru it on my midfats..... Untill one day last year me and my friends woke up to 10inches of the fresh pow on the mountain. I went out and rented a real modern powder skiis... That made all the difference in the world. I didn't have to learn anything, I just floated thru the entire mountain like there is a layer of melting butter under my skis. So, to me proper moder equipment makes a huge difference. I am buying myself fat skis for this winter, (Dynastar 6th sense Huge - found good deal on used)... Will they replace my midfats? No, I will still ski those on dayily basis on groomers, but I will pull out my fatties once the snow  storm come around.


And yeah, Powders skis are Powder Skis, nothing like a snowboard.....

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