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The differences between Carving and Turn. Thanks!

post #1 of 8
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i am Chinese.
I don't know much about the skiing terms in English.
Could you tell me some usefull ski terms ?

like:  short carving ,short turn; long carving and long turn.

does the Short carving mean a action of race skiing on piste?
and most turn used in the off-piste ?

I hope you could tell me some basic skiing terms ,better if you coule provide some videos .

Thanks.
post #2 of 8
Wellcome to epic. Im also not american so read my reply with that in mind.

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i am Chinese.
I don't know much about the skiing terms in English.
Could you tell me some usefull ski terms ?

like:
short carving = a carved turn that has a very small radius, lets say r=11m is pritty short
short turn = a turn that has a very small radius but it can be carved or skidded/brushed/steered, lets say down to r=1m
long carving = a carved turn that has a big turn radius, lets say r=21-27m is pritty long
long turn = a turn that has a very big radius but it can be carved or skidded/brushed/steered

does the Short carving mean a action of race skiing on piste?
No. Its just a turn with a small turn radius that is carved. Typically one made on a SL race track. Its funny how the gates force you to carve tighter than you would normally do.
and most turn used in the off-piste ?
I would not say that carved turns are being used off pist. Anyway I dont do that. I turn the more traditional way with skis skidding/brushing/steering. The reason is that off pist I need to be able to controll my turn radius myself and not indirectly by tipping and pressuring my skis. I also use turning for scrubbing off speed. When I carve my speed only accellerates.

I hope you could tell me some basic skiing terms ,better if you coule provide some videos .
There is a ski terminology thread on here somewhere. Search the forum. What kind of videos are you looking for? On youtube there are loads of videos.

Thanks.

The word carving is being used for lots of different turns nowadays. Before it used to mean skis running along their edges leaving sharp parallell tracks in the snow. Now it can sometimes mean a evenly skidded/brushed/steered turn.
post #3 of 8
Thread Starter 
Thanks very much.

The track of skiing carving like a letter "s",is it called carving?

What is it called  when the track of skiing carving like a letter "z"?


 

 

post #4 of 8
Thread Starter 
Tell you a about human-right truth.

In China ,nobody is promised to browse the foriegn websites like Youtube,Twiiter,Facebook,Voice oA and so on.

ONly when the 2008 Olympic i had seen them,but now........

That is it in China.
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Thanks very much.

The track of skiing carving like a letter "s",is it called carving?

What is it called  when the track of skiing carving like a letter "z"?


 

 


Welcome to EpicSki.

A letter S does not mean it is carved.  You can skid an S shaped turn. 

Carving is when the tails of the skis follow in the exact same path as the tip with no skidding.  The skis are on edge and making smooth tracks (lines) in the snow.

Z turns are skidded.  The cannot be a carved turn.  They are called Z turns.
post #6 of 8
Like others I don't use the every piece of the ski passing across the same piece of snow much anymore. I've returned to the 40's description of slicing the snow as the ski moves across the snow, like a knife slicing a through a steak. Incisions with a scalpel is another great image. A clean track is the result. Contrast that with the speading butter on a piece of bread image where the edge of the knife moves sideways across the bread. It doesn't cut the bread as much as leave a layer of butter on the surface. It's also worth noting that some elelments of both may occur simultaneously. they are not mutually exclusive.   
post #7 of 8
Priest, sorry to hear that there is no youtube for you guys but maybe you are better off that way. Anyway, the S shaped versus the Z shaped turns do not tell us if they are carved or skidded. It only tells us what kind of shape the turns have. If turns are nice and round or if they are uneven with lots of sideways skidding. If you are not carving your turns they can be eather S shaped or Z shaped depending on your skills. A good skier can controll the edge angle and the skid so that the turns become nice and round while a lower level skier rushes across the fall line with too much weight on his inside ski and lets his hips rotate outwards in the turn making his ski tails loose gripp and brake out more than necessary causing eccessive skidding and resulting in a Z shaped turn. However, if you truly carve as in "slicing" then the turns will be S shaped because the skis turn according to the skis side cut and there is no skis skidding sideways. Only forward motion of the skis.

Some will tell you that there is no such thing as a cleanly carved turn with no skidding. This is probably true if you abandone skiing and start acting like a sciantist but the fact is that there is a huge difference between being able to carve as in slicing or if you are letting your skis skidd. Also be aware that the word "skidding" has no unanimous meaning. It can mean lots of different things to different people. Im in the camp that calls non carving turns skidded turns. For others skidded turns are divided into many more subcategories including such terminology as carving, brushing, scarving, feathering etc. leaving skidding as a bad such skiing. Confused, dont be. Just keep on posting .
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Thanks for your patience.

I know much clearly now!
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